Erik Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 This is how you draft: 2001: RD1 Richard Seymour RD2 Matt Light 2002: RD1 Daniel Graham RD2 Deion Branch 2003: RD1 Ty Warren (our pick) RD2 Eugene Wilson 2004: RD1 Benjamin Watson RD2 Marquise Hill 2005: RD1 Logan Mankins 2006: RD1 Laurence Maroney RD2 Chad Jackson 2007: RD1 Brandon Meriweather Those are all of the drafts from when Bill Belichik took over up to their undefeated season. Notice that he solidified the lines first and then started to add the skill players behind them. Of course it helps getting one of the best QBs ever in Round 6 but that is neither here nor there. Also notice he hadn't taken an LB in the top two rounds in these years. He picked Mayo in the first round in 2008 but none before that. He prefers experienced LB's in his system. Draft the lines and try to plug the LB corps with some vets. I'd also try and bring in a vet TE that can make a difference in the passing game and draft one high in the next draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 The Patriots have built their teams multiple ways. They won their first Super Bowl of the Brady era with a collection of free agents. They trade for veterans like Corey Dillon, Randy Moss and Deion Branch where needed. They draft big people and TE's consistently. Recently, they started drafting LB's when Vrabel and Bruschi got older. It all starts with Belechek being a great coach and having the QB that has you scoring on every possession. This is how you draft: 2001: RD1 Richard Seymour RD2 Matt Light 2002: RD1 Daniel Graham RD2 Deion Branch 2003: RD1 Ty Warren (our pick) RD2 Eugene Wilson 2004: RD1 Benjamin Watson RD2 Marquise Hill 2005: RD1 Logan Mankins 2006: RD1 Laurence Maroney RD2 Chad Jackson 2007: RD1 Brandon Meriweather Those are all of the drafts from when Bill Belichik took over up to their undefeated season. Notice that he solidified the lines first and then started to add the skill players behind them. Of course it helps getting one of the best QBs ever in Round 6 but that is neither here nor there. Also notice he hadn't taken an LB in the top two rounds in these years. He picked Mayo in the first round in 2008 but none before that. He prefers experienced LB's in his system. Draft the lines and try to plug the LB corps with some vets. I'd also try and bring in a vet TE that can make a difference in the passing game and draft one high in the next draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 And since 2007....Chung, Vollmer, Tate, Edelman, Mayo, Wheatly. All we hear is how badly the pats draft. Look at last year alone: McCourty, Gronkowski, Spikes, Hernandez, Mesko--all starters or guys who saw significant playing time. Look at our last draft. No consistent starters, a few scrubs and a couple of guys who physically couldn't survive the offseason. Moats is about our only hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) This is how you draft: 2001: RD1 Richard Seymour RD2 Matt Light 2002: RD1 Daniel Graham RD2 Deion Branch 2003: RD1 Ty Warren (our pick) RD2 Eugene Wilson 2004: RD1 Benjamin Watson RD2 Marquise Hill 2005: RD1 Logan Mankins 2006: RD1 Laurence Maroney RD2 Chad Jackson 2007: RD1 Brandon Meriweather Those are all of the drafts from when Bill Belichik took over up to their undefeated season. Notice that he solidified the lines first and then started to add the skill players behind them. Of course it helps getting one of the best QBs ever in Round 6 but that is neither here nor there. Also notice he hadn't taken an LB in the top two rounds in these years. He picked Mayo in the first round in 2008 but none before that. He prefers experienced LB's in his system. Draft the lines and try to plug the LB corps with some vets. I'd also try and bring in a vet TE that can make a difference in the passing game and draft one high in the next draft. Not a great example. The Parcells drafts made up the core of their first Super Bowl Team, which are the players taken prior to 2001. Some names are: Bledsow (QB), Vrabel (LB), Bruschi (LB), Milloy (S), Law (CB), McGinest (LB/DE), Johnson (LB), Faulk (RB), Andruzzi (G), Woody ©, Vinatieri (K). Oh yeah, that Brady guy too. They actually did pick lots of LBs and defensive players. They didn't take LBs in the top rounds from 01 to 06 because they were stacked at LB for many years. There is no "formula" on what positions to pick --- other than drafting good quality starters with leadership skills and a strong work ethic. Players that make a difference and make big plays will be found throughout the draft. Some of that is luck, whether we want to believe it or not. Edited December 27, 2010 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilbuffalobob Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Or, you make a Hershel Walker-type trade with someone dumb enough to do it. Problem is that Brian Moorman is our Hershel Walker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 The Patriots have built their teams multiple ways. They won their first Super Bowl of the Brady era with a collection of free agents. They trade for veterans like Corey Dillon, Randy Moss and Deion Branch where needed. They draft big people and TE's consistently. Recently, they started drafting LB's when Vrabel and Bruschi got older. It all starts with Belechek being a great coach and having the QB that has you scoring on every possession. The Patriots also trade current players for premium draft picks. As examples, they trade Bledsoe to some loser team for a top pick and trade Seymour to another loser team for top picks. There is a reason that loser teams are losers. They make bad trades or fail to unload players before they lose value and they draft poorly! In addition, losers let their top free agents leave without compensation and they overpay to acquire mediocre free agents. The Bills have made about every error possible over the last 10 years and the examples are too numerous to enumerate. They failed to unload Schobel when they could have got something for him and currently they should unload Lee Evans before his value goes to zero. They won't do it though because that what losers never seem to recognize until it's too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 And since 2007....Chung, Vollmer, Tate, Edelman, Mayo, Wheatly. All we hear is how badly the pats draft. Look at last year alone: McCourty, Gronkowski, Spikes, Hernandez, Mesko--all starters or guys who saw significant playing time. Look at our last draft. No consistent starters, a few scrubs and a couple of guys who physically couldn't survive the offseason. Moats is about our only hit. Mesko... Probably one of the few players i like on that team.. Only because of his awesome name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Gun Special Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 This is how you draft: 2001: RD1 Richard Seymour RD2 Matt Light 2002: RD1 Daniel Graham RD2 Deion Branch 2003: RD1 Ty Warren (our pick) RD2 Eugene Wilson 2004: RD1 Benjamin Watson RD2 Marquise Hill 2005: RD1 Logan Mankins 2006: RD1 Laurence Maroney RD2 Chad Jackson 2007: RD1 Brandon Meriweather Those are all of the drafts from when Bill Belichik took over up to their undefeated season. Notice that he solidified the lines first and then started to add the skill players behind them. Of course it helps getting one of the best QBs ever in Round 6 but that is neither here nor there. Also notice he hadn't taken an LB in the top two rounds in these years. He picked Mayo in the first round in 2008 but none before that. He prefers experienced LB's in his system. Draft the lines and try to plug the LB corps with some vets. I'd also try and bring in a vet TE that can make a difference in the passing game and draft one high in the next draft. 3 out of the 7 1st rounders were lineman with a TE thrown in there. the bills picked two lineman in that same time frame so whats your point. The Bills also picked two lineman in the first round in 2009. so what? BTW they also have the best QB in the league and about half of those guys dont play there anymore. Notice how you need a top QB first or it doesnt matter how many lineman you draft. Notice how brady was already in place when they made all of those picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 So the Pats DID draft a running back in there somewhere in the 1st round..... And here I thought the bills were the only stupid team to do something like that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Or, you make a Hershel Walker-type trade with someone dumb enough to do it. Problem is that Brian Moorman is our Hershel Walker. not anymore lol This is how you draft: 2001: RD1 Richard Seymour RD2 Matt Light 2002: RD1 Daniel Graham RD2 Deion Branch 2003: RD1 Ty Warren (our pick) RD2 Eugene Wilson 2004: RD1 Benjamin Watson RD2 Marquise Hill 2005: RD1 Logan Mankins 2006: RD1 Laurence Maroney RD2 Chad Jackson 2007: RD1 Brandon Meriweather Those are all of the drafts from when Bill Belichik took over up to their undefeated season. Notice that he solidified the lines first and then started to add the skill players behind them. Of course it helps getting one of the best QBs ever in Round 6 but that is neither here nor there. Also notice he hadn't taken an LB in the top two rounds in these years. He picked Mayo in the first round in 2008 but none before that. He prefers experienced LB's in his system. Draft the lines and try to plug the LB corps with some vets. I'd also try and bring in a vet TE that can make a difference in the passing game and draft one high in the next draft. I get what you are saying but there are a awfully lot of misses . Brady covers up a lot of sins So the Pats DID draft a running back in there somewhere in the 1st round..... And here I thought the bills were the only stupid team to do something like that.... every draft is different . Stack the board and take the best player that fits your style of play. Thinking that these guys get it and moving forward we will have some very productive drafts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 The reason why I pointed that out is we have some people who have been critical of the bills for drafting the running backs we have drafted.... When in fact the pats have done the exact same thing... I know it isnt as simple as all of that but...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 This is how you draft: 2001: RD1 Richard Seymour RD2 Matt Light 2002: RD1 Daniel Graham RD2 Deion Branch 2003: RD1 Ty Warren (our pick) RD2 Eugene Wilson 2004: RD1 Benjamin Watson RD2 Marquise Hill 2005: RD1 Logan Mankins 2006: RD1 Laurence Maroney RD2 Chad Jackson 2007: RD1 Brandon Meriweather Those are all of the drafts from when Bill Belichik took over up to their undefeated season. Notice that he solidified the lines first and then started to add the skill players behind them. Of course it helps getting one of the best QBs ever in Round 6 but that is neither here nor there. Also notice he hadn't taken an LB in the top two rounds in these years. He picked Mayo in the first round in 2008 but none before that. He prefers experienced LB's in his system. Draft the lines and try to plug the LB corps with some vets. I'd also try and bring in a vet TE that can make a difference in the passing game and draft one high in the next draft. This team was good before Belicheck took the wheel...So How to build a good team is Take over a very stacked team built by Bill Parcels and stumble across a Tom Brady on the Way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 This is how you draft: 2001: RD1 Richard Seymour RD2 Matt Light 2002: RD1 Daniel Graham RD2 Deion Branch 2003: RD1 Ty Warren (our pick) RD2 Eugene Wilson 2004: RD1 Benjamin Watson RD2 Marquise Hill 2005: RD1 Logan Mankins 2006: RD1 Laurence Maroney RD2 Chad Jackson 2007: RD1 Brandon Meriweather Those are all of the drafts from when Bill Belichik took over up to their undefeated season. Notice that he solidified the lines first and then started to add the skill players behind them. Of course it helps getting one of the best QBs ever in Round 6 but that is neither here nor there. Also notice he hadn't taken an LB in the top two rounds in these years. He picked Mayo in the first round in 2008 but none before that. He prefers experienced LB's in his system. Draft the lines and try to plug the LB corps with some vets. I'd also try and bring in a vet TE that can make a difference in the passing game and draft one high in the next draft. That's a pretty big "neither here nor there" don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 So the Pats DID draft a running back in there somewhere in the 1st round..... And here I thought the bills were the only stupid team to do something like that.... Bills are the only team stupid enough to do it 3 times in 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 The Pats have also been the MASTERS at trading "this year's" round X pick for next year's round x-1 pick. That is, trade a 2nd this year for some team's 1st next year. They have 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds this year. The extra first is from fleecing the Raider's first pick for an aging and injured Richard Seymour. I don't remember where the extra 2nd and 3rd came from, but it was likely from trading a 3rd last year for a 2nd this year and a 4th last year for a 3rd this year. Of course, that is easier to do when your team is already very good, but that's how it is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 This is how you draft: 2001: RD1 Richard Seymour RD2 Matt Light 2002: RD1 Daniel Graham RD2 Deion Branch 2003: RD1 Ty Warren (our pick) RD2 Eugene Wilson 2004: RD1 Benjamin Watson RD2 Marquise Hill 2005: RD1 Logan Mankins 2006: RD1 Laurence Maroney RD2 Chad Jackson 2007: RD1 Brandon Meriweather Those are all of the drafts from when Bill Belichik took over up to their undefeated season. Notice that he solidified the lines first and then started to add the skill players behind them. Of course it helps getting one of the best QBs ever in Round 6 but that is neither here nor there. Also notice he hadn't taken an LB in the top two rounds in these years. He picked Mayo in the first round in 2008 but none before that. He prefers experienced LB's in his system. Draft the lines and try to plug the LB corps with some vets. I'd also try and bring in a vet TE that can make a difference in the passing game and draft one high in the next draft. top tier FAs don't want to be with this franchise.. hasn't anyone figured this out yet???? This is how you draft: 2001: RD1 Richard Seymour RD2 Matt Light 2002: RD1 Daniel Graham RD2 Deion Branch 2003: RD1 Ty Warren (our pick) RD2 Eugene Wilson 2004: RD1 Benjamin Watson RD2 Marquise Hill 2005: RD1 Logan Mankins 2006: RD1 Laurence Maroney RD2 Chad Jackson 2007: RD1 Brandon Meriweather Those are all of the drafts from when Bill Belichik took over up to their undefeated season. Notice that he solidified the lines first and then started to add the skill players behind them. Of course it helps getting one of the best QBs ever in Round 6 but that is neither here nor there. Also notice he hadn't taken an LB in the top two rounds in these years. He picked Mayo in the first round in 2008 but none before that. He prefers experienced LB's in his system. Draft the lines and try to plug the LB corps with some vets. I'd also try and bring in a vet TE that can make a difference in the passing game and draft one high in the next draft. Bills could have worked hard to get Vick and Gonzalez, both of whom were reasonably priced, and passed. The Bills are what they are. A farm team for the rest of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 This is how you draft: 2001: RD1 Richard Seymour RD2 Matt Light 2002: RD1 Daniel Graham RD2 Deion Branch 2003: RD1 Ty Warren (our pick) RD2 Eugene Wilson 2004: RD1 Benjamin Watson RD2 Marquise Hill 2005: RD1 Logan Mankins 2006: RD1 Laurence Maroney RD2 Chad Jackson 2007: RD1 Brandon Meriweather Those are all of the drafts from when Bill Belichik took over up to their undefeated season. Notice that he solidified the lines first and then started to add the skill players behind them. Of course it helps getting one of the best QBs ever in Round 6 but that is neither here nor there. Also notice he hadn't taken an LB in the top two rounds in these years. He picked Mayo in the first round in 2008 but none before that. He prefers experienced LB's in his system. Draft the lines and try to plug the LB corps with some vets. I'd also try and bring in a vet TE that can make a difference in the passing game and draft one high in the next draft. One key point to your article is that they got their HOF quarterback the year before your list started, so unlike the Bills, they had a quarterback already, and if yesterday showed anything, we don't. You can't just build by the draft, you have to draft well, trade well, sign free agents well and coach well. Over the past decade, the Bills have really done none of the above. Until you get a good quarterback, you will not compete for any serious type of post season play, so we are not there yet. I like Fitz and think he is an above average backup, but NFL starting QB he is not, and he proved it once again on sunday. As Cris Carter said on TV today, the Bills and Fitz didn't turn the ball over, they gave it away. He does that alot, and make alot of poor decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Of course it helps getting one of the best QBs ever in Round 6 but that is neither here nor there. This is where you lost your credibility. Drafting Tom Brady and fluking into perhaps the greatest QB in the history of the NFL is both here and there. The rest of the team is almost completely irrelevant. That is how important having elite QB play is in the NFL. The Patriots have a WORSE defense than the Bills. Can you even believe it? Our defense is HORRIBLE, and theirs is even worse. But they have the most important position in team sports history covered with one of the greatest of all time. A 5 year old could draft for them since, and they'd still make the playoffs every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 The Patriots also trade current players for premium draft picks. As examples, they trade Bledsoe to some loser team for a top pick and trade Seymour to another loser team for top picks. There is a reason that loser teams are losers. They make bad trades or fail to unload players before they lose value and they draft poorly! In addition, losers let their top free agents leave without compensation and they overpay to acquire mediocre free agents. The Bills have made about every error possible over the last 10 years and the examples are too numerous to enumerate. They failed to unload Schobel when they could have got something for him and currently they should unload Lee Evans before his value goes to zero. They won't do it though because that what losers never seem to recognize until it's too late. as negative as this is, I pretty much agree with it. The patriots, in this decade have made it look easy to win (as have other teams, Colts, Eagles, Pittsburgh). It all seems easy when looking at their situations. And we have The Bills, who have been in a 15 year funk...this draft/offseason is yet another "shot" at turning things around, and I guess thats just what we have to look forward too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 This is how you get your defense better in a hurry: Year Rnd Pick Pos 2010 1 27 Devin McCourty DB 2010 2 42 Rob Gronkowski TE 2010 2 53 Jermaine Cunningham LB 2010 2 62 Brandon Spikes LB 2009 2 34 Patrick Chung DB 2009 2 40 Ron Brace DT 2009 2 41 Darius Butler DB 2009 2 58 Sebastian Vollmer T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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