ieatcrayonz Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) A few years ago I mentioned that the Bills would be better off losing a game to the Cardinals to set themselves up better for the tie breaker. People on the board refused to understand my point even though it is relatively simple. I can't find the link but some of you may remember it. If you were around back then maybe you can answer this: If the Chiefs and Chargers both win their remaining division games, the Chargers win their other game and the Chiefs lose their other game, which team will go to the playoffs? Why? Edited December 23, 2010 by ieatcrayonz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 A few years ago I mentioned that the Bills would be better off losing a game to the Cardinals to set themselves up better for the tie breaker. People on the board refused to understand my point even though it is relatively simple. I can't find the link but some of you may remember it. If you were around back then maybe you can answer this: If the Chiefs and Chargers both win their remaining division games, the Chargers win their other game and the Chiefs lose their other game, which team will go to the playoffs? Why? I have no idea what you are talking about.. and assume ou are being a chucklehead..but matbe, just maybe , you meant this. In no way shape or form can winning a game hurt your playoff position(as far as I know). But, maybe that is wrong. Could it be that losing gets you out of a three way tie and into a two way tie, and then different tie breakers come out where you are better positioned against the one team thatn if you were agaisnt both? There is prolly a scenario where that plays out and losing may be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 haha. I remember that thread. It was the Arizona game where Edwards got splatto'd by Adrian Wilson. You said that it was good for us that we lost that game for playoff seeding or something along those lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 haha. I remember that thread. It was the Arizona game where Edwards got splatto'd by Adrian Wilson. You said that it was good for us that we lost that game for playoff seeding or something along those lines Wasn't that like the 6th game of the season? Does that mean going 0-8 in the first half of this season is good for the Bills playoff hopes? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 haha. I remember that thread. It was the Arizona game where Edwards got splatto'd by Adrian Wilson. You said that it was good for us that we lost that game for playoff seeding or something along those lines If I remember right, the argument was something like: if you're going to have certain number of losses, (say, ending 8-8) it's better to have them against a team that is not in your division/conference because you'll have better tiebreakers at the end of the year (because that means the wins are more likely against division/conference opponenets). Therefore it's better to lose to Arizona to help our playoff chances. ...And several people engaged this argument for a handful of posts back and forth trying to help Crayonz see why his logic was flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnychemo Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 The only way I can see a loss helping your cause is that it may slightly increase your strength of schedule, but that is the 6th (out of 12) tiebreaker, so getting there is a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 But what happens if the Chiefs win both of their games. And the Chargers team plane crashes into the side of a mountain. Did you ever think about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted December 23, 2010 Author Share Posted December 23, 2010 haha. I remember that thread. It was the Arizona game where Edwards got splatto'd by Adrian Wilson. You said that it was good for us that we lost that game for playoff seeding or something along those lines It was Arizona and a lot of people have laughy face int their replies them too. Guess who beat a lot of NFC teams this year? KC. My guess is that there are not too many laughy faces in KC when thinking about the fact that they won too many games against the NFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 It was Arizona and a lot of people have laughy face int their replies them too. Guess who beat a lot of NFC teams this year? KC. My guess is that there are not too many laughy faces in KC when thinking about the fact that they won too many games against the NFC. If they had won more games against the NFC (and the same # against the AFC) they would be in the playoffs. Also, don't forget about the plane crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjl4sam Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 A few years ago I mentioned that the Bills would be better off losing a game to the Cardinals to set themselves up better for the tie breaker. People on the board refused to understand my point even though it is relatively simple. I can't find the link but some of you may remember it. If you were around back then maybe you can answer this: If the Chiefs and Chargers both win their remaining division games, the Chargers win their other game and the Chiefs lose their other game, which team will go to the playoffs? Why? Is this a joke? Losing to an NFC team does nothing to help or hurt your tiebreaker (until you get down to SOS and what not) as it doesn't affect your conference or division record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted December 23, 2010 Author Share Posted December 23, 2010 Is this a joke? Losing to an NFC team does nothing to help or hurt your tiebreaker (until you get down to SOS and what not) as it doesn't affect your conference or division record. If you win too many NFC games that means you have lost more AFC games which messes up your tiebreaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 If you win too many NFC games that means you have lost more AFC games which messes up your tiebreaker. I rather win an NFC game in the post-season. But thats just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 A few years ago I mentioned that the Bills would be better off losing a game to the Cardinals to set themselves up better for the tie breaker. People on the board refused to understand my point even though it is relatively simple. I can't find the link but some of you may remember it. If you were around back then maybe you can answer this: If the Chiefs and Chargers both win their remaining division games, the Chargers win their other game and the Chiefs lose their other game, which team will go to the playoffs? Why? Can you explain to us again why it is good to lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjl4sam Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) If you win too many NFC games that means you have lost more AFC games which messes up your tiebreaker. Assuming you are being serious, the flaw in that logic is that you are presuming teams can control which games they can win and lose. Obviously if a team was predestined to go 10 - 6, they would choose to go 0-4 in the NFC and 10-2 in the AFC and 6-0 in the division. But if a team really had that much control over which games they could win and lose, they would just choose to go 19-0. For an AFC team, it's better to have a better record versus the AFC than NFC, quite obviously. But the thought that a team would lose on purpose to an NFC team to better their playoff chances is ludicrous. Another flaw is that you are assuming that there is an inverse relationship between a team's NFC and AFC record, which is not true. Edited December 23, 2010 by mjl4sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Grid Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 It was Arizona and a lot of people have laughy face int their replies them too. Guess who beat a lot of NFC teams this year? KC. My guess is that there are not too many laughy faces in KC when thinking about the fact that they won too many games against the NFC. So your screen name isn't a joke I guess. If you are trying to say you're better off beating teams in your own conference, you're right. If you're trying to say losing games to the other conference does anything but help you draft position and compromise your playoff chances, you clearly have eaten so many crayons that one has lodged deep in your brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Agree, that was the problem with his logic. It was assuming you were going to win some other AFC game instead and their final record would end up with the same number of wins. The logic essentially was based that the Bill's could choose which games it wanted to win or lose. Assuming you are being serious, the flaw in that logic is that you are presuming teams can control which games they can win and lose. Obviously if a team was predestined to go 10 - 6, they would choose to go 0-4 in the NFC and 10-2 in the AFC and 6-0 in the division. But if a team really had that much control over which games they could win and lose, they would just choose to go 19-0. For an AFC team, it's better to have a better record versus the AFC than NFC, quite obviously. But the thought that a team would lose on purpose to an NFC team to better their playoff chances is ludicrous. Another flaw is that you are assuming that there is an inverse relationship between a team's NFC and AFC record, which is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 This thread is further proof that too many stupid people are breeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 LOL..I have no idea why ppl keep feeding crayonz...he obviously sits and jerks off to these threads...he's been doing this for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 This thread is further proof that too many stupid people are breeding. "Stupid people shouldn't breed" Jenny Holzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted December 23, 2010 Author Share Posted December 23, 2010 So your screen name isn't a joke I guess. If you are trying to say you're better off beating teams in your own conference, you're right. If you're trying to say losing games to the other conference does anything but help you draft position and compromise your playoff chances, you clearly have eaten so many crayons that one has lodged deep in your brain. You're telling me that if the Chargers end up in a tie breaker with the Chiefs, they won't be thanking their lucky stars that they lost those games against the NFC teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 If you win too many NFC games that means you have lost more AFC games which messes up your tiebreaker. That implies that you know what your record is going to be. If that were the case, why play the games. They could just set back and say yep we will win this week and nope we will lose this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 You're obviously a troll since you won't answer my question about the plane crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Another flaw is that you are assuming that there is an inverse relationship between a team's NFC and AFC record, which is not true. This is what he doesn't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnychemo Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) You're telling me that if the Chargers end up in a tie breaker with the Chiefs, they won't be thanking their lucky stars that they lost those games against the NFC teams? Your assumption is that they win those games at the cost of losing others, which is a huge fallacy. If they had won those NFC games instead of losing them, they wouldn't have to worry about a tie-breaker with the Chiefs because they'd have a better record in the first place. But of course, you may still have to contend with the plane crash.... Edited December 23, 2010 by johnnychemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 You're telling me that if the Chargers end up in a tie breaker with the Chiefs, they won't be thanking their lucky stars that they lost those games against the NFC teams? I can't believe I'm doing this, but to help keep this thread alive cause crayonz is my favorite poster ever, NO, because if they won an extra game against the NFC West, there wouldn't even be a tie-breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 A few years ago I mentioned that the Bills would be better off losing a game to the Cardinals to set themselves up better for the tie breaker. People on the board refused to understand my point even though it is relatively simple. I can't find the link but some of you may remember it. If you were around back then maybe you can answer this: If the Chiefs and Chargers both win their remaining division games, the Chargers win their other game and the Chiefs lose their other game, which team will go to the playoffs? Why? Wow how many 64 Packs did you eat? You play to win EVERY GAME!!! Good Teams find ways to win all games that matter. YOU don't lose for the sake of losing. UGHHHH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 A few years ago I mentioned that the Bills would be better off losing a game to the Cardinals to set themselves up better for the tie breaker. People on the board refused to understand my point even though it is relatively simple. I can't find the link but some of you may remember it. If you were around back then maybe you can answer this: If the Chiefs and Chargers both win their remaining division games, the Chargers win their other game and the Chiefs lose their other game, which team will go to the playoffs? Why? Better off as a franchise or better off for the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted December 23, 2010 Author Share Posted December 23, 2010 Your assumption is that they win those games at the cost of losing others, which is a huge fallacy. If you don't understand the basic math it is one thing, but starting in with the vulgarity is not useful to the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Of course they will because now they look back at which games they won and lost and say, yeah we were lucky. But losing the sixth game of the year and then proclaiming how lucky they were to lose a non conference game cause they know they still have X number of games they are going to win and now that increases the odds they wins will be within the conferecne is retarded. A preseason "8-8" team can just as easily lose another game they were supposed to win along the way and end up 7-9 or even 6-10. Can I ask you one question, are you just bring this point up to try and tweak people to get into an argument with you, or are you really this stupid? If you can't figure out the difference between those two scenerios, maybe you should stop using the computer, and god forbid, stay away from power tools. Maybe I should throw that questions out to others who know you better, is he really this dumb?? Can anyone be that dumb?? You're telling me that if the Chargers end up in a tie breaker with the Chiefs, they won't be thanking their lucky stars that they lost those games against the NFC teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 ZZzzzzzzziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggg! Gotta hand it to you Crayonz. You catch more in a day than many do in an entire season. You're obviously a troll since you won't answer my question about the plane crash. No doubt he'll get to it when he explains how and why the NFC/AFC tie breakers kick in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) Can I ask you one question, are you just bring this point up to try and tweak people to get into an argument with you, or are you really this stupid? If you can't figure out the difference between those two scenerios, maybe you should stop using the computer, and god forbid, stay away from power tools. Maybe I should throw that questions out to others who know you better, is he really this dumb?? Can anyone be that dumb?? You ain't seen nothing yet. Edited December 23, 2010 by Fan in Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnychemo Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) If you don't understand the basic math it is one thing, but starting in with the vulgarity is not useful to the conversation. fallacy - –noun, plural -cies. 1.a deceptive, misleading, or false notion, belief, etc.: That the world is flat was at one time a popular fallacy. 2.a misleading or unsound argument. 3.deceptive, misleading, or false nature; erroneousness. 4.Logic . any of various types of erroneous reasoning that render arguments logically unsound. 5.Obsolete . deception. What is vulgar about the term? I mentioned in an earlier post that you might have a point in that the strength of schedule tiebreaker might be favorably impacted, however turning a loss into a win, (and this is the important part) while leaving the record alone otherwise (ie going from 9-7 to 10-6) is going to negate the need for a tiebreaker in the first place. Now, if I haven't hit the essence of your argument, please do enlighten me. Oh, and please refrain from generic crayons. Stick with a name brand. Edited December 23, 2010 by johnnychemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) The title of your post says all that is needed about the type of person you are. Even if your post made ANY sense, and assuming you were correct about some inane point you made a few years back, what is the need to bring it up here? It suggests you don't have much going on in the real world and need to boost your self esteem to a group of people who don't know what a loser you really are. Only problem is this type of post makes that point very obvious. Edited December 23, 2010 by Mr. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTW2012 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 A few years ago I mentioned that the Bills would be better off losing a game to the Cardinals to set themselves up better for the tie breaker. People on the board refused to understand my point even though it is relatively simple. I can't find the link but some of you may remember it. If you were around back then maybe you can answer this: If the Chiefs and Chargers both win their remaining division games, the Chargers win their other game and the Chiefs lose their other game, which team will go to the playoffs? Why? So five and a half years of posting and you were right once? Good for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timba Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Winning against conference opponents is preferred against winning against non-conference opponents. Got it. That doesn't mean that losing a game on purpose is going to help you, because you don't know if you're going to win another one later. If you lose on purpose you're taking yourself out of the potential tie-breaker situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBeane Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 At least WVU can't close this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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