b stein 22 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 2nd best pass defense, 30th against the run. Overall 19th in total yardage, 16th in points...that's not the worst. Its not the worst, but its still a damn problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opfball91 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 yin and yang really, why bother passing when you can run against a team? The total yardage and points against were my main points, we weren't atrocious by any sense of the word, that's not saying we were any good, but our struggles on offense far outweighed the defensive side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak tree 12 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 "(Bills head coach) Chan Gailey is a very good offensive coordinator. If you remember, he was moving the ball with Tyler Thigpen in Kansas City. They were scoring 28-plus points per game. The guy knows how to move the ball. And to his credit, he has been doing it (in Buffalo) without a tight end. He's a great schemer. The part I don't understand is why they decided to switch their "40" front (on defense). Whoever made that decision made a bad call. They did not have the personnel to make the move." http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/11/14/insider-bills-gailey-knows-offense'>http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/11/14/insider-bills-gailey-knows-offense Did a TE catch a single ball Sunday? Was Nelson active? Stupar? One stud TE to go along with our 3 serviceable TEs would go a long way in both the run and pass game. you obviously dont know this but we still play the 3/4 almost half the time. there are many variations of the 3/4 which we employ. "(Bills head coach) Chan Gailey is a very good offensive coordinator. If you remember, he was moving the ball with Tyler Thigpen in Kansas City. They were scoring 28-plus points per game. The guy knows how to move the ball. And to his credit, he has been doing it (in Buffalo) without a tight end. He's a great schemer. The part I don't understand is why they decided to switch their "40" front (on defense). Whoever made that decision made a bad call. They did not have the personnel to make the move." http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/11/14/insider-bills-gailey-knows-offense Did a TE catch a single ball Sunday? Was Nelson active? Stupar? One stud TE to go along with our 3 serviceable TEs would go a long way in both the run and pass game. we have a great young TE prospect however since his fumble (which was not his fault) it almost seems like chan is punishing him anyway. IMO he will be a great TE some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 9 games into the 2010 season, Nix first draft has been a bust. Could it change-Sure, but right now, it looks bad. Spiller was not a good pick for a team with that many needs. The national pundits were right about Spiller being a bad pick at 9 for Buffalo. If the guy was that "electrifying" and "special" wouldnt he have shown a little something by now? He will become good, but we should have grabbed a linebacker... Part of the Spiller pick was the marketing aspect of it. He's got excellent speed, quickness, and vision, but it's wasted behind an offensive line that struggles against tough run defenses as evidenced in Toronto. Offensive lineman don't sell tickets, and the team knew they'd take a hit after letting TO go and another lackluster performance in 2009. I'm pretty sure season ticket sales declined significantly from 2009 to 2010. More than 11k. There'll be another drop off barring Andrew Luck in the draft. The team has eschewed top FA's in previous years, although 2010 UFA class was an aberration. If the Bills want to win faster, they'll use UFA and not thrown down a cop out of "building through the draft." After 11 seasons of bad to mediocre football, fans are starting to demand a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 "(Bills head coach) Chan Gailey is a very good offensive coordinator. If you remember, he was moving the ball with Tyler Thigpen in Kansas City. They were scoring 28-plus points per game. The guy knows how to move the ball. And to his credit, he has been doing it (in Buffalo) without a tight end. He's a great schemer. The part I don't understand is why they decided to switch their "40" front (on defense). Whoever made that decision made a bad call. They did not have the personnel to make the move." http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/11/14/insider-bills-gailey-knows-offense Did a TE catch a single ball Sunday? Was Nelson active? Stupar? One stud TE to go along with our 3 serviceable TEs would go a long way in both the run and pass game. I have been preaching that for a while....this is the time of year when a lot of us start talking once again about the importance of a NFL caliber Tight End and what it does for the offense...... - While we complain about the offensive line blocking we totally go past the fact that good offensive teams have a Tight End that is on the field making that key block down the field. - How much better would Fitz be if he had a sure handed dependable big target in the Red Zone and 1st down markers.......the Raiders TE comes to mind who is also a free agent this next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I have been preaching that for a while....this is the time of year when a lot of us start talking once again about the importance of a NFL caliber Tight End and what it does for the offense...... - While we complain about the offensive line blocking we totally go past the fact that good offensive teams have a Tight End that is on the field making that key block down the field. - How much better would Fitz be if he had a sure handed dependable big target in the Red Zone and 1st down markers.......the Raiders TE comes to mind who is also a free agent this next year. The importance of a TE cannot be overstated. In addition to the above, TEs also are used to move linebackers and safeties out of passing lanes in order to create space over the deep middle for your WRs. I too am amazed that Gailey has been so effective in designing route combinations without a viable TE, or, now, a slot receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtoe Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 It seems like the only person who theoretically would benefit from the switch is Maybin and he can't even play himself onto the active roster. I think we have a winner. I think, based on the history with Edwards, they changed at least in part in order to see if they could salvage what appeared to be a major bust. Now that they know that there is nothing to salvage, at least not yet, they want back to a defense that suited the rest of the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Because they're not worried about doing well this year. Because they are aiming at 2012 or 2013 and knew that being bad this year wouldn't be such a bad thing for their future success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 What if Russ Brandon forced Chan to get a coach that uses the 3-4. So they can fool the fan base and get them to buy more season tickets. Why would the fans give a **** if we went to a 3-4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Part of the Spiller pick was the marketing aspect of it. He's got excellent speed, quickness, and vision, but it's wasted behind an offensive line that struggles against tough run defenses as evidenced in Toronto. Offensive lineman don't sell tickets, and the team knew they'd take a hit after letting TO go and another lackluster performance in 2009. More than 11k. There'll be another drop off barring Andrew Luck in the draft. The team has eschewed top FA's in previous years, although 2010 UFA class was an aberration. If the Bills want to win faster, they'll use UFA and not thrown down a cop out of "building through the draft." After 11 seasons of bad to mediocre football, fans are starting to demand a winner. The Bills got a top ten talent in a top ten draft positon. What is there to complain about? The rational for this pick was that he was a top ten talent and a potential playmaker. How is that wrong? Do the Bills still need to upgrade the line (OTs)? Of course. They need to upgrade a lot of positions. At this point the Bills are a little more advanced than an expansion team. Last year was an odd year in that the league was going to reopen their CBA contract thus affecting the free agent market. It really didn't matter because the Bills are not the type of franchise to pursue the upper tier free agents. The Bills are going to rebuild through the draft. It's just the way it is. The owner is 92 yrs old and he is not going to splurge for a quick fix. That spendthrift apporach doesn't work for a bad team anyway. As you and many others have noted the success and speed of a turnaround for this franchise is predicated on how well the team drafts over the next few years. That is the open question. It will be easier to assess this year's draft next year or the year after than trying to assess it this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) What if Russ Brandon forced Chan to get a coach that uses the 3-4. So they can fool the fan base and get them to buy more season tickets. The idea was far more likely to find a way to get Aaron Maybin on the field and get more out of that particular investment (boondoggle). It wouldn't be surprising in the least if the orders came from higher up to get Maybin on the field. Edit: The other likely scenario, that Gailey just preferred to run the 3-4 was already mentioned above. The troubling part about it being purely a coaching decision is that many people could see that the Bills didn't have the right personnel to make the switch. So, that sort of goes back to the decision being less about purely coaching concerns. Remember, Russ Brandon was GM when Aaron Maybin was drafted. Edited November 16, 2010 by Sisyphean Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoring is not hardy Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 The marketing theory is ridiculous. Like the average fan is going to get super excited about a switch in schemes, hell most casual fans probably don't know the difference anyways. I guess they really missed the boat on the campaign. "2010, a season to believe switch to the 3-4" Gailey said he wanted to run the 3-4 because he knows how difficult it is to game plan against. Coming from an offensive coach I believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) Why would the fans give a **** if we went to a 3-4? OH PLEASE! Are you going to pretend you weren't on this board for the past few years?? I was one of the few here arguing that a 4-3 is just fine, and that switching to a 3-4 when it's trendy is a mistake because we're competing with more teams for the same player-types, but I was definitely a voice in the wilderness. The fans here, anyway, have been screaming for a 3-4 for years now. Because we play against 3 division opponents who use it successfully (and we were hoping it would help our offense to practice against it), because it starts with larger D-Linemen, which casual fans translate to better run defense, the reasons didn't have to be correct, but they were all there. Edited November 16, 2010 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 heh. Ya know the last time we also were in the top 3 in defense. 2003-2004 when we played the oh yes 4-3 defense. My point being scheme is not indictive of being good. You can have good defenses in either scheme. The idea is to have good players and coaches. The Bills currently have neither. The little talent we did have was drafted because of their ability to translate into a 4-3 tampa 2. I get it the 3-4 is the in thing. The problem being more than half the league plays the defense, and it will become increasingly difficult to acquire talent in order to transition into and become a good overall unit. Just for the record if you wanna argue about what scheme is better. As of right now 4 of the top 5 defenses play the 4-3. Of the 4 teams that made the conference championships last year only 1 played the 3-4. 3 of the last 4 superbowl champions yup you guessed it 4-3 defense. Its going to be easier to get players for the 4-3 just based on the amount of teams that play the 3-4. Yeah, we played a 4-3, but we had Sam Adams and Pat Williams at the tackles, with Schobel in his youth and Ryan Denney on the line. Yes Denney was the weak link, yet the defense was strong overall and Denney did chip in with 3.5 sacks. All things being equal, Denney always seemed to do a better job than Kelsay to me, at least in making plays. Yet, the Bills brass saw it differently and maybe justifiably as Denney wasn't a star by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodat Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 What if Russ Brandon forced Chan to get a coach that uses the 3-4. So they can fool the fan base and get them to buy more season tickets. I gotcha. Thank goodness for total ignorance. For without that none of us would be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 2nd best pass defense, 30th against the run. Overall 19th in total yardage, 16th in points...that's not the worst. In fact, that's just about where they ranked under Jauron. The good news is that they appear to be getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadstroke Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/11/14/insider-bills-gailey-knows-offense Did a TE catch a single ball Sunday? Was Nelson active? Stupar? One stud TE to go along with our 3 serviceable TEs would go a long way in both the run and pass game. Nelson has all the receiving ability the Bills need, the problem is that at the present time we feel the need for max blocking so the TE stays in and therefore as you can see by the stats, no significant receiving at the TE position. Shame! But hopefully it'll change as the OL improves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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