BillsPhan Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 I am only looking at the Bills Number One Picks in the drafts from 2000 through 2009. Ten first round draft picks, and in 2005, when the Bills had no first round pick, I looked at the players available after their 2nd round pick that year. The lack of overall talent in these 10 players is astounding. I have gone past 9 of these 10 picks, (Lee Evans is a solid number one pick for any team in any year) and chosen (in 20-20 hindsight of course) players the Bills could have drafted instead. For your reading enjoyment, I submit to you the Buffalo Bills that "could have been": Offense That Might Have Been QB – Drew Brees (Drafted 11 picks after Nate Clements in 2001) TE – Dallas Clark (Drafted 2 picks after Willis McGahee in 2003) WR – Vincent Jackson (Drafted 6 picks after Roscoe Parrish in 2005) LT – Brandon Albert – (Drafted 4 picks after Leodis McKelvin in 2008) Defense That Might Have Been MLB or ILB – Keith Bullock (Drafted 4 picks after Erick Flowers in 2000) DE – Dwight Freeney (Drafted 7 picks after Mike Williams in 2002) DT or NT – Haloti Ngata (Drafted 4 picks after Donte Whitner in 2006) CB – Darrelle Revis (Drafted 2 picks after Marshawn Lynch in 2007) DE – Brian Orakpo (Drafted 2 picks after Aaron Maybin in 2009) Of course any fan of any NFL team could do this same thing over any 10 year period. But leaving out those fantasy players above, take one more look at the 10 players drafted number one from 2000 -2009 by our beloved Bills, and it's no wonder they suck so much today!: 2000: Erick Flowers, - flopped after 2 years. 2001: Nate Clements, - left via FA after 4 good years. 2002: Mike Williams, - flopped after 3 years. 2003: Willis McGahee, - traded after 2 decent years of playing. 2004: Lee Evans - GOOD PICK. 2005: Roscoe Parrish - OK PICK. 2nd round pick - just now coming into his own as a receiver, but has always been a great punt returner. 2006: Donte Whitner - still starting but nobody knows why. 2007: Marshawn Lynch - traded after 2 good seasons on the field, but 3 ignorant stupid seasons off of it. 2008: Leodis McKelvin - who knows?? 2009: Aaron Maybin - climbing the all-time draft bust list weekly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 see Lions, Detroit 2000-2009 1st rounders 2000 Stockar McDougle, OT Oklahoma 2001 Jeff Backus, OT Michigan 2002 Joey Harrington, QB Oregon 2003 Charles Rogers, WR Michigan State 2004 Roy Williams WR Texas Kevin Jones, RB Virginia Tech 2005 Mike Williams, WR USC 2006 Ernie Sims, LB Florida State 2007 Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech 2008 Gosder Cherilus, OT Boston College 2009 Matthew Stafford, QB Georgia Brandon Pettigrew, TE Oklahoma State Exempt the 09 picks, and that's one thin crew there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 (edited) I am only looking at the Bills Number One Picks in the drafts from 2000 through 2009. Ten first round draft picks, and in 2005, when the Bills had no first round pick, I looked at the players available after their 2nd round pick that year. The lack of overall talent in these 10 players is astounding. I have gone past 9 of these 10 picks, (Lee Evans is a solid number one pick for any team in any year) and chosen (in 20-20 hindsight of course) players the Bills could have drafted instead. For your reading enjoyment, I submit to you the Buffalo Bills that "could have been": Offense That Might Have Been QB Drew Brees (Drafted 11 picks after Nate Clements in 2001) TE Dallas Clark (Drafted 2 picks after Willis McGahee in 2003) WR Vincent Jackson (Drafted 6 picks after Roscoe Parrish in 2005) LT Brandon Albert (Drafted 4 picks after Leodis McKelvin in 2008) Defense That Might Have Been MLB or ILB Keith Bullock (Drafted 4 picks after Erick Flowers in 2000) DE Dwight Freeney (Drafted 7 picks after Mike Williams in 2002) DT or NT Haloti Ngata (Drafted 4 picks after Donte Whitner in 2006) CB Darrelle Revis (Drafted 2 picks after Marshawn Lynch in 2007) DE Brian Orakpo (Drafted 2 picks after Aaron Maybin in 2009) Of course any fan of any NFL team could do this same thing over any 10 year period. But leaving out those fantasy players above, take one more look at the 10 players drafted number one from 2000 -2009 by our beloved Bills, and it's no wonder they suck so much today!: 2000: Erick Flowers, - flopped after 2 years. 2001: Nate Clements, - left via FA after 4 good years. 2002: Mike Williams, - flopped after 3 years. 2003: Willis McGahee, - traded after 2 decent years of playing. 2004: Lee Evans - GOOD PICK. 2005: Roscoe Parrish - OK PICK. 2nd round pick - just now coming into his own as a receiver, but has always been a great punt returner. 2006: Donte Whitner - still starting but nobody knows why. 2007: Marshawn Lynch - traded after 2 good seasons on the field, but 3 ignorant stupid seasons off of it. 2008: Leodis McKelvin - who knows?? 2009: Aaron Maybin - climbing the all-time draft bust list weekly. Cleveland didn't do ant better with higher picks, especially early in the decade,but it doesn't help us: 2000 Courtney Brown 2001 Gerard Warren 2002 William Green 2003 Jeff Faine 2004 Kellen Winslow 2005 Braylon Edwards 2006 Kameron Wimbley 2007 Joe Thomas, Brady Quinn 2008 Beau Bell(4th) 2009 Alex Mack Edited October 30, 2010 by Albany,n.y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 LT – Brandon Albert – (Drafted 4 picks after Leodis McKelvin in 2008) Why didnt you pick Ryan Clady as the what if pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPhan Posted October 30, 2010 Author Share Posted October 30, 2010 LT – Brandon Albert – (Drafted 4 picks after Leodis McKelvin in 2008) Why didnt you pick Ryan Clady as the what if pick? Because I think Albert is better...on the most improved team in the NFL this season - Kansas City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 (edited) Teams much worse, just to name a few...there are many more you could also add to the list...just becuase some of ours left the team early, doesnt mean they are not good players. Thats an argument for how the FO runs the team, not how it drafted. These are some examples of teams who missed a lot more then we did. Raiders 1990 to 1999 Rams 1980 to 1989 Packers 1980 to 1989 Redskins 1990 to 1999 Broncos 1990 to 1999 Broncos 2000 to 2009 Edited October 30, 2010 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 No matter what 'stats' some fans want to put out there, YES this has been one of the worst decades for an NFL Team. considering our 1st rounder this year along with many of our other picks this year are sitting the bench, It doesn't look like a turn around is likely anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 see Lions, Detroit 2000-2009 1st rounders 2000 Stockar McDougle, OT Oklahoma 2001 Jeff Backus, OT Michigan 2002 Joey Harrington, QB Oregon 2003 Charles Rogers, WR Michigan State 2004 Roy Williams WR Texas Kevin Jones, RB Virginia Tech 2005 Mike Williams, WR USC 2006 Ernie Sims, LB Florida State 2007 Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech 2008 Gosder Cherilus, OT Boston College 2009 Matthew Stafford, QB Georgia Brandon Pettigrew, TE Oklahoma State Exempt the 09 picks, and that's one thin crew there. 06 and 07 were good, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 its so bad. how ANY of our scouts or personnel guys still have jobs is beyond me. we continue to tolerate failure from our scouts and decision makers. Any other team would have cleaned house and gotten rid of these clowns but we give our guys raises and promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 This is the #1 problem with the Bills. They do not know how to evaluate college players. Good drafting is what separates the good teams from the scrubs, like us. It is unbelievable to me how Modrak & his scouts still have their jobs. Hopefully, Chan/Nix can improve upon the past drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Boy, I wish I had bought these stocks over the last decade... Chico's FAS +3,790.889% Apple +3,504.444% Frontier Oil +2,367.556% Oshkosh Truck +2,153.455% Clean Harbors +1,995.059% Echostar Communications +1,870.947% Gilead Sciences +1,816.260% American Eagle Outfitters +1,737.162% Holly Corp. +1,706.189% XTO Energy +1,629.161% instead of... JDS Uniphase -99% American International Group -98% Ciena -95% Sun Microsystems -94% Eastman Kodak -94% E-Trade -94% Akamai -92% Citigroup -92% Tellabs -91% MBIA -90% I hate threads like these. They serve no purpose other than to point out the obvious, and whine about it. You can't 'unring' a bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Sylvan Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) Boy, I wish I had bought these stocks over the last decade... Chico's FAS +3,790.889% Apple +3,504.444% Frontier Oil +2,367.556% Oshkosh Truck +2,153.455% Clean Harbors +1,995.059% Echostar Communications +1,870.947% Gilead Sciences +1,816.260% American Eagle Outfitters +1,737.162% Holly Corp. +1,706.189% XTO Energy +1,629.161% instead of... JDS Uniphase -99% American International Group -98% Ciena -95% Sun Microsystems -94% Eastman Kodak -94% E-Trade -94% Akamai -92% Citigroup -92% Tellabs -91% MBIA -90% I hate threads like these. They serve no purpose other than to point out the obvious, and whine about it. You can't 'unring' a bell. The things is, looking back and saying what if is impossible because to say we would have drafted those players with the same success would be to ignore the coaching, level of talent around them to help them get easier matchups, play after play of fortunately avoiding injury (Wood's from last year I would think is an example of poor luck). I know this is football, but didn't the Butterfly Effect teach us anything? Who knows how things would have actually turned out. I think the real point of this thinking, and I do it all the time, is the idea that with a little more knowledge it would have been easier to control the situation we are in and have prevented it. The problem with this is that it assumes that hindsight is 20/20 and that having just hit on a few more people our team clearly would be a contender. Edited October 31, 2010 by Swift Sylvan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Putting the Lions draft picks up against ours only serves to illustrate the point. The Lions, one of the historically bad NFL franchises blew our doors off in terms of draft success. They also got to draft a qb overall #1, which is why they are now regarded as a team on the rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 06 and 07 were good, no? Ernie Sims was traded to PHI when DET went away from the T2. Johnson is simply amazing, but he's a #2 and they'd busted on enough around that point. If you exempt the 09 picks who look good, the only top pick from 2000-06 still on the roster is Backus who's OK at LT. That team had more huge busts than anyone in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Boy, I wish I had bought these stocks over the last decade... Chico's FAS +3,790.889% Apple +3,504.444% Frontier Oil +2,367.556% Oshkosh Truck +2,153.455% Clean Harbors +1,995.059% Echostar Communications +1,870.947% Gilead Sciences +1,816.260% American Eagle Outfitters +1,737.162% Holly Corp. +1,706.189% XTO Energy +1,629.161% instead of... JDS Uniphase -99% American International Group -98% Ciena -95% Sun Microsystems -94% Eastman Kodak -94% E-Trade -94% Akamai -92% Citigroup -92% Tellabs -91% MBIA -90% I hate threads like these. They serve no purpose other than to point out the obvious, and whine about it. You can't 'unring' a bell. Can you and others stop with moronic posts like this? The stock market and drafting are NOTHING anywhere near the same. For the bills to fail this badly is hands down uncalled for. Every team has a bad draft now and then, first rounders flame out, but not at the friggin rate this crappy team has had the last 11 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtgolder Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Have to agree--having lived in Michigan for the past 10 years or so, the Lions have been worse... ...well, until now. (I think the Lions have more reason to hope right now than the Bills...and that's quite a telling statement.) Having said that, they've really drafted poorly (well, Matt Millen drafted poorly--now that he's gone, there's hope.) see Lions, Detroit 2000-2009 1st rounders 2000 Stockar McDougle, OT Oklahoma 2001 Jeff Backus, OT Michigan 2002 Joey Harrington, QB Oregon 2003 Charles Rogers, WR Michigan State 2004 Roy Williams WR Texas Kevin Jones, RB Virginia Tech 2005 Mike Williams, WR USC 2006 Ernie Sims, LB Florida State 2007 Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech 2008 Gosder Cherilus, OT Boston College 2009 Matthew Stafford, QB Georgia Brandon Pettigrew, TE Oklahoma State Exempt the 09 picks, and that's one thin crew there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I am only looking at the Bills Number One Picks in the drafts from 2000 through 2009. Ten first round draft picks, and in 2005, when the Bills had no first round pick, I looked at the players available after their 2nd round pick that year. The lack of overall talent in these 10 players is astounding. I have gone past 9 of these 10 picks, (Lee Evans is a solid number one pick for any team in any year) and chosen (in 20-20 hindsight of course) players the Bills could have drafted instead. For your reading enjoyment, I submit to you the Buffalo Bills that "could have been": Offense That Might Have Been QB – Drew Brees (Drafted 11 picks after Nate Clements in 2001) TE – Dallas Clark (Drafted 2 picks after Willis McGahee in 2003) WR – Vincent Jackson (Drafted 6 picks after Roscoe Parrish in 2005) LT – Brandon Albert – (Drafted 4 picks after Leodis McKelvin in 2008) Defense That Might Have Been MLB or ILB – Keith Bullock (Drafted 4 picks after Erick Flowers in 2000) DE – Dwight Freeney (Drafted 7 picks after Mike Williams in 2002) DT or NT – Haloti Ngata (Drafted 4 picks after Donte Whitner in 2006) CB – Darrelle Revis (Drafted 2 picks after Marshawn Lynch in 2007) DE – Brian Orakpo (Drafted 2 picks after Aaron Maybin in 2009) Of course any fan of any NFL team could do this same thing over any 10 year period. But leaving out those fantasy players above, take one more look at the 10 players drafted number one from 2000 -2009 by our beloved Bills, and it's no wonder they suck so much today!: 2000: Erick Flowers, - flopped after 2 years. 2001: Nate Clements, - left via FA after 4 good years. 2002: Mike Williams, - flopped after 3 years. 2003: Willis McGahee, - traded after 2 decent years of playing. 2004: Lee Evans - GOOD PICK. 2005: Roscoe Parrish - OK PICK. 2nd round pick - just now coming into his own as a receiver, but has always been a great punt returner. 2006: Donte Whitner - still starting but nobody knows why. 2007: Marshawn Lynch - traded after 2 good seasons on the field, but 3 ignorant stupid seasons off of it. 2008: Leodis McKelvin - who knows?? 2009: Aaron Maybin - climbing the all-time draft bust list weekly. Please consider getting a hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) Boy, I wish I had bought these stocks over the last decade... Chico's FAS +3,790.889% Apple +3,504.444% Frontier Oil +2,367.556% Oshkosh Truck +2,153.455% Clean Harbors +1,995.059% Echostar Communications +1,870.947% Gilead Sciences +1,816.260% American Eagle Outfitters +1,737.162% Holly Corp. +1,706.189% XTO Energy +1,629.161% instead of... JDS Uniphase -99% American International Group -98% Ciena -95% Sun Microsystems -94% Eastman Kodak -94% E-Trade -94% Akamai -92% Citigroup -92% Tellabs -91% MBIA -90% I hate threads like these. They serve no purpose other than to point out the obvious, and whine about it. You can't 'unring' a bell. +1 Another "we suck" thread. Edited October 31, 2010 by JPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Can you and others stop with moronic posts like this? The stock market and drafting are NOTHING anywhere near the same. For the bills to fail this badly is hands down uncalled for. Every team has a bad draft now and then, first rounders flame out, but not at the friggin rate this crappy team has had the last 11 years WHINE ON, HARVEST MOON!!!!! Then - when you're all done whining - explain how that helps or changes anything, speaking of 'moronic' What's done is done. Jauron's gone, we have a new coach, a new mind-set, a new GM with a history of successful drafts. If all you can do is whine, please go get yourself a big tall glass of STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I am only looking at the Bills Number One Picks in the drafts from 2000 through 2009. Ten first round draft picks, and in 2005, when the Bills had no first round pick, I looked at the players available after their 2nd round pick that year. The lack of overall talent in these 10 players is astounding. I can't stand to look at your list of "Bills who might have Been". Too painful. 2000: Erick Flowers, - flopped after 2 years. 2001: Nate Clements, - left via FA after 4 good years. 2002: Mike Williams, - flopped after 3 years. 2003: Willis McGahee, - traded after 2 decent years of playing. 2004: Lee Evans - GOOD PICK. 2005: Roscoe Parrish - OK PICK. 2nd round pick - just now coming into his own as a receiver, but has always been a great punt returner. 2006: Donte Whitner - still starting but nobody knows why. 2007: Marshawn Lynch - traded after 2 good seasons on the field, but 3 ignorant stupid seasons off of it. 2008: Leodis McKelvin - who knows?? 2009: Aaron Maybin - climbing the all-time draft bust list weekly. What really strikes me here is how few of the 1st round picks were spent on the lines - only two DL, only one OL. It's not so much that Clements, McGahee, Parrish (for 2nd round), and Lynch were poor picks. They're all good players IMO. One can argue draft position and BPA but they're none of them busts. The root problem seems to be so many high picks were DB or RB and only 3 for the lines (and one of those 3 a known project) It's like the Bills FO read a book about how important the lines (on both sides of the ball) are to quality football, then tossed it over their left shoulder into the trash can saying "FFFbbbt. We know better." Then there's player development and retention -- can't go there either, too ugly, can't look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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