Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 From the career curve perspective, yes. A bit early for statements like that. But I do understand where the writer is coming from, even if I don't necessarily agree. Oh I understand where he's coming from. And maybe I'm taking it a bit to literal. But based on his follow up in the blog responses below his assessment. He emphatically believes he has Troup's entire career labeled from one week of the kids first training camp. Even if he devoted every minute watching Troup, which he clearly didn't as he had opinions on many other players, how is it possible to come to that definitive of a conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Oh I understand where he's coming from. And maybe I'm taking it a bit to literal. But based on his follow up in the blog responses below his assessment. He emphatically believes he has Troup's entire career labeled from one week of the kids first training camp. Even if he devoted every minute watching Troup, which he clearly didn't as he had opinions on many other players, how is it possible to come to that definitive of a conclusion? It's not possible and based on what you report, Brian's being a bit obstinate, to his own detriment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Troup is the type of draft pick that will make or break this new front office...... People were knocking the pick because either: - We didn't trade back and get Dan Williams - We didnt take Mt Cody when we were going to switch to a 3-4 - We didnt take a player at another position of need at with that 2nd round pick What people dont understand is that Troup is a fricking stud (well they are seeing that now) and while there were 3 defensive linemen who received all the hype (they all went in the 1st) we allowed what needed to happen which is allow Buddy Nix to do his thing and rely on our draft scouts.....stay put and take him with the 2nd round pick....we didn't have to give anything up in a trade up scenario....... None of those guys has played an NFL down yet by the way. I have no problems with Troup. Stud? Eh. If you haven't been paying attention apparently the Ravens are pretty pleased with Cody. Of course the only thing is his weight but he is just one of those guys like Ted Washington. Let him eat what he wants he will cave in the offensive line on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 None of those guys has played an NFL down yet by the way. I have no problems with Troup. Stud? Eh. If you haven't been paying attention apparently the Ravens are pretty pleased with Cody. Of course the only thing is his weight but he is just one of those guys like Ted Washington. Let him eat what he wants he will cave in the offensive line on Sunday. Are the Ravens pleased that Cody failed his conditioning test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 None of those guys has played an NFL down yet by the way. I have no problems with Troup. Stud? Eh. If you haven't been paying attention apparently the Ravens are pretty pleased with Cody. Of course the only thing is his weight but he is just one of those guys like Ted Washington. Let him eat what he wants he will cave in the offensive line on Sunday. Are the Ravens pleased that Cody failed his conditioning test? Yep, Cody is awesome...except he's too fat and can't pass his conditioning test. Otherwise he's flippin' awesome! ptr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 The bad with the good. DUDS QB Ryan Fitzpatrick: Exactly zero of Buffalo's quarterbacks has been impressive through the first week of camp, but Fitzpatrick has been a special case of terrible. No QB has tossed more interceptions to date, his accuracy is as erratic as ever, and I've heard whispers that of all quarterbacks on the roster, he's been most frustrated by how the "pecking order" has taken shape. (Those are obviously unconfirmed, and no bad blood exists between the four guys, so don't get your panties in a bunch; disregard entirely if you're not a fan of rumors.) He was always a long-shot to emerge from the pre-season as the starter, but he's already put himself in an early hole in that regard. CB Leodis McKelvin: ESPN's Tim Graham called McKelvin out on his blog for showing lapses in concentration on the practice field. He's been aggressive at times, but complacent at others, and has been burned a few times on deep routes. He's also being given an excellent opportunity to win the punt returning job, but is quite literally fumbling that chance away, muffing punts as frequently as Fitzpatrick skips passes. I said all off-season that McKelvin would have a hard time earning his starting cornerback job back, and if he continues to play the way he has this past week, he'll likely be relegated to nickel duty to start the season. OT Jamon Meredith: With an entire set of spring practices under his belt as the starting left tackle, many thought Meredith would be able to hold off incumbent Demetrius Bell for the starting job on the blind side. Bell is still working his way back into full playing shape, meaning that while Bell still looks to be penciled in as the starter, Meredith is still seeing a lot of work with the first team at left tackle. He's not taking advantage, struggling mightily with good speed rushes on the edge, and finding difficulty dealing with the power of Buffalo's underrated five-technique defensive ends. Meredith has looked OK run blocking, but at the moment, he projects most comfortably as the team's swing tackle behind Bell and Cornell Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 None of those guys has played an NFL down yet by the way. I have no problems with Troup. Stud? Eh. If you haven't been paying attention apparently the Ravens are pretty pleased with Cody. Of course the only thing is his weight but he is just one of those guys like Ted Washington. Let him eat what he wants he will cave in the offensive line on Sunday. I dont even know what to say to this its so wrong - Mt Cody failed his physical and wasn't able to practice initially.....and even now he has to leave the field way to frequently because of his lack of conditioning....notice I say LACK OF CONDITIONING....Im not talking about how much weight he is carrying...... - The comparisons with Ted Washington (young Ted Washington) stop with how much they way on the scale people tend to forget how agile of a big man Ted was in his younger days......he could actually rush the passer.......Cody is gonna anchor and thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I dont even know what to say to this its so wrong - Mt Cody failed his physical and wasn't able to practice initially.....and even now he has to leave the field way to frequently because of his lack of conditioning....notice I say LACK OF CONDITIONING....Im not talking about how much weight he is carrying...... - The comparisons with Ted Washington (young Ted Washington) stop with how much they way on the scale people tend to forget how agile of a big man Ted was in his younger days......he could actually rush the passer.......Cody is gonna anchor and thats it. Some people just can't let go of the pre-draft hype. Even when the evidence is right in front of them. Troup could be a ten-year Pro Bowler but for some people the Bills still messed up by not drafting the guy who Kiper was slobbering over. Same with QB's. People still can't get over not picking Clausen at #9 even now when Jimmy is in danger of being cut in Carolina. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Jimmy is in danger of being cut in Carolina. PTR Hyperbolize much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 If we have a strong defense and a strong running game, we might actually do some damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Some people just can't let go of the pre-draft hype. Even when the evidence is right in front of them. Troup could be a ten-year Pro Bowler but for some people the Bills still messed up by not drafting the guy who Kiper was slobbering over. Same with QB's. People still can't get over not picking Clausen at #9 even now when Jimmy is in danger of being cut in Carolina. PTR Where have you heard he's in danger of being cut? I live in Charlotte and haven't heard or read that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Oh I understand where he's coming from. And maybe I'm taking it a bit to literal. But based on his follow up in the blog responses below his assessment. He emphatically believes he has Troup's entire career labeled from one week of the kids first training camp. Even if he devoted every minute watching Troup, which he clearly didn't as he had opinions on many other players, how is it possible to come to that definitive of a conclusion? Ahhhh I was commenting based on the article, I didnt read the comments. If hes being overly ambitious there, i didnt realize it. In the article it seemed like just an educated opinion, not like he was trying to state fact. I think I was equally taken back by all the people that were upset or confused by the ceiling comment in the article, as it seemed pretty innocuous overall. If his mind and body are relatively mature, and his technique is sound, there isnt reason to believe he will change THAT much as a player. Im not saying no improvement and he will never get any stronger or smarter, but it shouldn't be anything that makes you do a double take if you see him down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I understand what the writer was saying when he referred to Troup already near to his ceiling level. There were a couple of NTs such as Cody and Linval Joseph who were bigger and bulkier who had potentially more long term upside. The expectations for Troup is that he is going to play nearer to his ceiling level much quicker than these other rawer players. I don't think the writer was disparaging Troup so much as complimenting a more finished product than some other NT prospects. I remember prior to the draft one Bill scout describing Troup as being well conditioned for a NT. He stated that with him he would be able to be on the field for more plays because of his unusual stamina for a man his size. Everything I have read about him prior to the draft is that he is a worker and high effort player. He is a solid pick and the type of player you would want on your roster. We seem to be all agreeing the guy is a stud and all the hand wringing because we didn't pick the better known NT's seems to have quietly gone away. I still stand by the notion that one week into training camp is not a time to put brackets around a player and say he's at or near the top of his game. Better conditioning and strength coaches, better technique coaches, experience and more knowlege of the 3-4 is going to make this guy better. But it's a small point. I don't think the writer was disparaging Troup, I just thought it an odd comment. One thing I'm happy to see is that Buddy Nix knows talent and if he wants it, he goes and gets it no matter what others may think. The guy's got stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 The proof is in the pudding. Let's hope he keeps developing. This is a critical position and having him step up and take care of it is really key to the success of the 3-4. So far so good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 One thing I'm happy to see is that Buddy Nix knows talent and if he wants it, he goes and gets it no matter what others may think. The guy's got stones. Isn't it refreshing to have a draft where the majority of picks aren't DBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Where have you heard he's in danger of being cut? I live in Charlotte and haven't heard or read that. I never heard of a "franchise" third-string QB. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I never heard of a "franchise" third-string QB. PTR i wasnt aware second round picks were expected to start from their first practice? actually im curious now -- who was the last qb taken say 50th or later (i know he was 48th) to start opening day... heck even say 30th or lower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Troup is the type of draft pick that will make or break this new front office...... People were knocking the pick because either: - We didn't trade back and get Dan Williams - We didnt take Mt Cody when we were going to switch to a 3-4 - We didnt take a player at another position of need at with that 2nd round pick What people dont understand is that Troup is a fricking stud (well they are seeing that now) and while there were 3 defensive linemen who received all the hype (they all went in the 1st) we allowed what needed to happen which is allow Buddy Nix to do his thing and rely on our draft scouts.....stay put and take him with the 2nd round pick....we didn't have to give anything up in a trade up scenario....... let's see if he can play like a stud against someone other than Hangartner and our porous OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 let's see if he can play like a stud against someone other than Hangartner and our porous OL That's the spirit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I never heard of a "franchise" third-string QB. PTR So you just made the whole thing up? You're way cool..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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