buffaloaggie Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 How will some folks on TSW support their arguments now? Wikipedia crashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 How will some folks on TSW support their arguments now? Wikipedia crashes Forget that..what about all the school children that steal material from it, put it into this or that report, claim it as their own, and get those fat GPAs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Forget that..what about all the school children that steal material from it, put it into this or that report, claim it as their own, and get those fat GPAs? there is actually nothing in the world easier then catching a wikipedia plagiarist. Type a sentence into google and bam...you get to fail a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 NJ Sue's !@#$ed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 there is actually nothing in the world easier then catching a wikipedia plagiarist. Type a sentence into google and bam...you get to fail a kid. Assuming the teacher gives a crap. It's not like they can be fired for incompetence in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 there is actually nothing in the world easier then catching a wikipedia plagiarist. Type a sentence into google and bam...you get to fail a kid. Depends on how clever the kid is. Smarter ones never quote verbatim. Problem: Many phrases that people type, words, people who don't haunt Wiki at all, can be caught and assumed to be a plagiarist. How does one work through that? What is the fate of the person that reads up on something, only to be told that some Wiki thing was published independent of the kid's work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Assuming the teacher gives a crap. It's not they can be fired for incompetence in the US. post tenure? totally right. pre-tenure? insanely easy to get canned. besides, we love catching plagiarists. it's the only time we can ever take negative action on a bad student Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Assuming the teacher gives a crap. It's not like they can be fired for incompetence in the US. Here in Cincy, errant teachers get housed for years in a building, playing ping-pong, and drawing the money and the benefits. Not that any school system, or government entity dare say that most of the problem are because of crappy parental "units"... That's viewed as racist, hateful, etc. And doing such doesn't help the vote count... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Depends on how clever the kid is. Smarter ones never quote verbatim. Problem: Many phrases that people type, words, people who don't haunt Wiki at all, can be caught and assumed to be a plagiarist. How does one work through that? What is the fate of the person that reads up on something, only to be told that some Wiki thing was published independent of the kid's work? clever kids don't plagiarize. also, if they take research from wikipedia/wherever and don't cite the source it still counts as plagiarism. in my experience the plagiarism is usually kids does a cut and paste job. Whole paper is just the wikipedia page with their name on top. then you get to watch them try and convince you it was all a coincidence. good fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 NJ Sue's !@#$ed!! Assuming she knows what it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 NJ Sue's !@#$ed!! Ha... That's a blast from the past. I'm sure she knows the conversion rate or whatever it was that she was asking. Now its on to more important things, like if Jesse James' page has been updated with his current marital status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Not a single post on the PPP board the entire duration of the crash....could it be related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Not a single post on the PPP board the entire duration of the crash....could it be related? AH HAHAHAHAHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 You are right. Dumb kids who know how to play the game. Honor roll by quota. Even if they are unprepared dolts, make sure they graduate somehow so as to keep the federal $$$ flowing in. The City of Cincinnati wised up several years ago - they used to report the number of dropouts that entered the high schools as freshmen. They got in line, and the dropout numbers are in line with the popular way - the rate is now put out as seniors that left. Colleges play their own games - but it's beyond dispute that kids entering are much more unprepared than in years past. The El-Hi's, certainly the change in ethics in society, conspire. I could go on and on about theories - but that's old ground. Let's not fight, and you must do the best you can. I've no doubt you do that, and that is good. I'm not an enemy. but here where I live, the school systems has long exploited kids, having them shout and scream on corners or ride the beds of roving pickup trucks saying things like "Give us more Money!" for this or that property increase tax issue. They, in the last 2 years put forth 4 ballot votes, May, June, August - you name, it hoping that the paying public would be worn down. They won. They did, along the way, in the name of cost savings, discharge their $79K per year "Director of Quality Assurance". That director had a staff of zero... With the previous property tax increase - for the children, of course, they spent $1M+ on a new football stadium. It has some premium seating for our esteemed educational officials, of course. When I lived in the county just north of my current residency, I got a phone call every year, urging me to enroll my children in the Fed. lunch program. I have no kids. I learned that they realized 20 cents+ per meal. They yowled for a tax property increase for a brand-new building. When members of the paying public pointed out that the existing high school was built with expansion in mind - bigger girders, foundation work, etc, to build upward, the teacher's union launched the mean-spirited rhetoric. And exploited the students for their purposes. Signs in opposition were torn away in the night. Tires were flattened, windows were smashed, obscenities were scrawled on citizen's possessions. man, I taught at Oklahoma State. While I was there about $700million was spent on the football team and in 3 years I was never given a raise or had a classroom that worked. My last semester they didn't even give me a chair. Add indifferent students. hostile students. outright liars? it's why we burn out and stop caring. In my classes of 22 there would be 4-5 would made effort. breaks you down after a bit. So us college profs do not have a union. we get tenure based on student evaluations and the quality of our research. We also do not have to pass a single student if they don't deserve it. Public schools have a lot of trouble failing students because of issues of federal funding. But that breaks down forces responsibility onto students and parents...there would be a revolution without the scapegoats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 man, I taught at Oklahoma State. While I was there about $700million was spent on the football team and in 3 years I was never given a raise or had a classroom that worked. My last semester they didn't even give me a chair. Add indifferent students. hostile students. outright liars? it's why we burn out and stop caring. In my classes of 22 there would be 4-5 would made effort. breaks you down after a bit. So us college profs do not have a union. we get tenure based on student evaluations and the quality of our research. We also do not have to pass a single student if they don't deserve it. Public schools have a lot of trouble failing students because of issues of federal funding. But that breaks down forces responsibility onto students and parents...there would be a revolution without the scapegoats. Am I the only one that has a problem that this was written by someone who calls themself a college professor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Wikipedia being down for a short time is no big deal However an outage of Chickipedia would be a catastrophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 However an outage of Chickipedia would be a catastrophe LOL I regularly hit a ton of wiki sites looking for new ideas and such as part of my job, still trying to figure out how to convince my bosses that is the site I need to focus on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Am I the only one that has a problem that this was written by someone who calls themself a college professor? he taught at OSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 he taught at OSU. it's true. also didn't bother proof reading (yes I see some grammatical errors). But whatev, I'm retired. No longer being paid to care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 it's true. also didn't bother proof reading (yes I see some grammatical errors). But whatev, I'm retired. No longer being paid to care I'm just bustin' your stones AJ. I'm sure at one time you cared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Forget that..what about all the school children that steal material from it, put it into this or that report, claim it as their own, and get those fat GPAs? Not much difference from when they copied encyclopedia articles back when I was young. Or copied straight from the cave walls back when you were in school. It's just a little bit easier now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrojanitor Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I'm just bustin' your stones AJ. I'm sure at one time you cared. yeah man, i can tell. If I could make a living at it I'd totally care. An adjunct makes about $2K per class per semester. A full course load plus summer sessions gets me $20K before taxes. $100,000 in student loans for a $20,000 job. sob story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Depends on how clever the kid is. Smarter ones never quote verbatim. 5th grade, I wrote a 20 page paper on Lincoln. By basically paraphrasing an entire book I read about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 5th grade, I wrote a 20 page paper on Lincoln. By basically paraphrasing an entire book I read about him. In 4th grade I wrote a 3-4 page paper on Balboa by basically copying most of what was in the encyclopedia. Teacher asked me to read the first page of my paper in front of the class. I did so proudly. Then she called up another kid to read the first page of his paper on Balboa. They were pretty much the same word-for-word. She had already read both papers and set us up to make an example of us in front of the class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 IMO Wikipedia is good for skimming very basic, general information. To use it properly, you need to pay attention to the warnings and use the actual linked resource instead of the Wiki article itself. IMO it is a great collection of links with a general summary of them. There are tons of issues with it, you have bias creeping in as some editors hog pages and control all content. Of course, any encyclopedia is exempt from such bias. If in doubt, check the talk pages and the logs. I admit there are tons of biased articles, but there are few quite a few non biased sources available. Despite my many doubts about Wikipedia as the source they claim to be, it is terribly useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 In 4th grade I wrote a 3-4 page paper on Balboa by basically copying most of what was in the encyclopedia. Teacher asked me to read the first page of my paper in front of the class. I did so proudly. Then she called up another kid to read the first page of his paper on Balboa. Yo Adrian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 In 4th grade I wrote a 3-4 page paper on Balboa by basically copying most of what was in the encyclopedia. Teacher asked me to read the first page of my paper in front of the class. I did so proudly. Then she called up another kid to read the first page of his paper on Balboa. They were pretty much the same word-for-word. She had already read both papers and set us up to make an example of us in front of the class. Why did you do a report on an island in Newport Beach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 IMO Wikipedia is good for skimming very basic, general information. To use it properly, you need to pay attention to the warnings and use the actual linked resource instead of the Wiki article itself. IMO it is a great collection of links with a general summary of them. There are tons of issues with it, you have bias creeping in as some editors hog pages and control all content. Of course, any encyclopedia is exempt from such bias. If in doubt, check the talk pages and the logs. I admit there are tons of biased articles, but there are few quite a few non biased sources available. Despite my many doubts about Wikipedia as the source they claim to be, it is terribly useful. That's what I use it for. The links for each page are great, so when you find something that you want to use you can open up that article or link that wikipedia uses. It works well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 My college professor for english hated wiki so much that if we got caught using it, we failed the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I heard Youtube was having problems this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Why did you do a report on an island in Newport Beach? It's a cool island. One of the few good things in orange county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Who needs Wikipedia? There's nothing you can't find out by asking it here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Who needs Wikipedia? There's nothing you can't find out by asking it here*... *Offer not valid when Wikipedia is down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Depends on how clever the kid is. Smarter ones never quote verbatim. Problem: Many phrases that people type, words, people who don't haunt Wiki at all, can be caught and assumed to be a plagiarist. How does one work through that? What is the fate of the person that reads up on something, only to be told that some Wiki thing was published independent of the kid's work? I guess im one of the smarter ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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