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This is exactly the right point... At the time a Dareus/Williams 1/2 seemed pretty decent...they certainly carried worthy grades based on where they were Drafted...But this is The Buffalo Bills we're talking about...And you have to figure these Kids will underachieve... Dareus has certainly had his moments...BUT... AJ Green, Julio Jones, Patrick Peterson, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith anyone? Good grief those are 5 REALLY good young players...I mean...Those 5 guys figure to be perennial Pro-Bowlers...That hurts... I thought Aaron Williams had turned the corner (no pun intended) late last season when, at times at least, he was The Bills best player on Defense (ok...I admit that is NOT saying much)...But this year it seems he's reverted back to that CB we saw get toasted early on in his Rookie year...If anyone remembers, Williams had one of the worst pre-seasons I've seen in a long time for a CB...He got beat bad early on...Then before he got hurt last year, and a little after, he did not look much better...The thing is, Williams does not appear to have the quick's to keep up with NFL WR's...I think straight line he's OK...But he's not fluid enough...And his critics who said he was better suited at Safety in the NFL are looking pretty smart right now...Now combine that with the obvious fact that The Bills Drafted Williams ahead of Andy Dalton...Dalton may not be perfect...But he's young, big enough, he's a competitor, and he was a HUGE winner in College...The Bills also could have had LB Bruce Carter...I have one friend who is a die-hard Cowboys Fan...He tells me Carter is a future star in the NFL at LB...He's currently 2nd on the Team in Tackles and may be one of the fastest LB's in the NFL (and yes I know about his injury as a Sr...That's why he lasted into the 2nd Round)...Anyway...The big miss was still Dalton... So...once again it looks like The Bills took the wrong guy...When you are looking at Premium Picks only (1st-3rd Rounds), Nix has simply not done good enough...Spiller is definitely a home-run threat...But The Bills still could have Lynch and Jackson at RB, and JPP at DE instead...Troup...Well...You know...Carrington? Umm...Hindsight may very well be 20/20, but sometimes it stings a little more...Like knowing that NaVorro Bowman went 18 Picks after Carrington...Ouch, ouch, ouch...Kelvin Sheppard has certainly not looked like anything spectacular...This years pack (Gilmore, Glenn, and TJ Graham) looks decent now...But how much would any Bills fan gamble that it will look as good next year, and the year after that? It just has not gone that way enough for this Scouting Department for whatever reason... Nix said The Bills would build through the Draft...And he has done well to stick by that claim...The problem is if you are going to do that you have to hit a few home runs in the 1st-3rd Rounds...If you go three years and hit on 6 of those 9 players...now you're REALLY getting somewhere...Right now, of Buddy's nine, only Spiller and Glenn could be called potential home runs...Dareus is a decent Starter, but considering many felt he was the best prospect in the entire 2011 Draft, to this point the argument can be made that he has seriously underachieved...Gilmore looks like he could be a solid Starter at CB, but he's also struggled a bit as a Rookie and looked REAL bad on some plays...He's also looked good on others...You have Williams and Shep who are below average Starters...TJ Graham who looks like he may become a decent 2nd or 3rd WR...Carrington is a back-up DT and FG blocker...Troup is all but done...Not exactly what Buddy planned on with this Scouting Department...Not at all...

I'm pretty sure it has more to do with Fitz's actual play...More is expected now...Regardless of the Defense... The Defense has been terrible at times...The Bills have HUGE holes there right now...No one could question that...But I think most Fans are not confusing the Bills ability to win now by playing better Defense, with the opinion that Fitz is not good enough...I'll just point to those 6 Passes vs NE and SF where Fitz missed open receivers deep, ...Even in losing efforts, if Fitz was hitting the big plays that are there in this Offense, he could shut everybody up in a half-a-heartbeat... But it really matters not...I'm sure we can pick this argument up again at the end of the Season...

Ouch!

I grew up in LA as HUGE Dodgers and Lakers Fan...Baseball was my sport, so I enjoyed seeing my Boys in Blue win it all in 81, and 88...I was a big-time Magic Johnson Fan...So that era was awesome...I'm also a Michigan Football Fan and of course they shared the 97 Title... But saying all that I've had a hell of a dry spell...And I've always been a bigger Bills Fan than any of my other Teams...So it hurts a little more I guess...

Exactly...And they are not very good at SS either... If these Bills were better at the 1st guy bringing the ball carrier down, heck even slowing them down, this Defense would be WAY ahead of where they are now...They make a lot of mistakes on Defense...But to my untrained eye I would say the poor tackling is by far the biggest issue to this point...The yards after initial contact have been massive in the 3 losses especially...Once again we are stuck looking at a Defense that seemingly gets out-physical-ed...And that's mainly due to the fact that they tackle very poorly at times...

Hull will always be one of the greatest Buffalo Bills players on and off the field...No one deserves their spot on the wall more than KH...RIP Sir...

Can't trade picks...Need them all to deal for #1 overall and Geno...

Do you even have any idea how uninformed that post is?

Exactly... Some folks still, somehow, seem have it ass backwards around here. Despite what they have obviously seen with their own two eyes...It never ceases to amaze me...

100% uninformed wishful thinking tells me we will give up the farm for Geno!!! So how's that for hard facts?

Agreed!

I think Fewell might be the #1 Candidate should the Bills dump Gailey...Which I doubt they will... But someone remind me...Why is Perry Fewell not the DC in Buffalo right now? How is that decision looking now? In hindsight I think Nix and Gailey would have (and should have) begged Fewell to stick around...It's not like anyone was going to give Perry a HC job...The Bills could have made him Asst HC at least...He's most definitely a solid up-and-coming Defensive Coach, and he was FAR more qualified than Edwards...I mean WAY more qualified...And we had him...Beautiful!

Easy answer...This is The Buffalo Bills Organization...If there is a wrong decision to be made...Chances are we've done it...

Could not possibly agree more! Great Post...

This I would be thrilled with!!! This may very well end up being the thread that tells me who I would like to hang with on this board, and who I would not... RATM and Audioslave over SG?...No thanks...Don't like Rage much because I like actual singers who sing...Audioslave was cool for a side-project...But Soundgarden is epic...One of the greatest Rock Bands in the past 25 years...And that's not just my opinion...But I'm a grunge guy by way of being a metal head... And I would not listen to anything Jay-Z did if it came with a serious cash bonus...Personally I have an inner battle everyday about what I hate more... Rap, Hip Hop, or New Country...But I hate them all...A lot...A real, real, real, lot...

Seriously? UGH!!! I'm sure she'll roll out Jay-Z too...I'll change the channel thank you very much... They should have asked Soundgarden...hehe

Agreed...The design is set...He plays at WVU currently...GET HIM!!!

The Rivers bashing here is somewhat laughable...Now I will say this...It is possible at this point that Rivers is on the permanent decline...This is his 9th Season...It happens...BUT...We're talking about a QB with a CAREER 95 QB Rating, and a 2:1 TD to INT ratio...He is light years better than what we have now...Even though he would not be my QB of choice from here on out...Still...Rivers has had a hell of a good 8 NFL years..And assuming he would be better than Fitz in Gailey's Offense is like assuming a bear craps in the woods...It's an easy assumption to make....

It's funny because way back after Fitz's first year with Gailey...The Edwards year...There were many here who said they wanted Fitz to be the QB because they believed he was going to be just like Drew Brees...He was only going to get better now that he had all this great Coaching...My argument was simple...The Fitz backers were ignoring the evidence they had right in front of them, Fitz's record and stats to that point...So I asked over and over again...What if he does not continue to get better? What if he continues to be who he has been to this point...Up and down and limited? What then? You know what assuming gets you? Well now it's not what if, it's what now? I don't think anyone needed a crystal ball to know this was going to happen with Fitz...Nix and Gailey should have known...I blame them...

No offense...But if you think most of Fitz mistakes come from play calling I have to question your overall ability to critique the QB position...It's not play calling...It's Fitz...You do realize he's been doing this for a while now don't you?...In the NFL as a Starter...There is evidence...He's Fitz...And he's always going to be Fitz...He will most certainly get hot again...That's what he does...Then he gets cold again...He still can't hit a deep pass...And so on...And so on...

No question...But I'm pretty sure the better QB's in the league do similar things, and still manage to hit a receiver in stride every now and again...

All that is true... But the way they are playing, and being Coached, right now they have zero chance of making the Playoffs...They have a QB who looks awful, a Defense that has tackling problems among other things, injury issues on both lines, and Coaches without a clue at times... Can they turn it around? No question...But based on the way they look right now I'm going to be guarded with ANY optimism...I've learned my lesson...

Positives: The Defense played the run better and got good pressure at times vs a terrible O-Line...Spiller and Freddie look most-of-the-way back...BYRD... Negatives: Fitz, he's awful...Missed freaking tackles, just terrible tackling at times...The QB scrambles allowed, without them Az had almost no Offense...Gailey and his cute play calling again...

IF he comes out...I don't think he'll go in the 2nd or 3rd...Meaning he'll come out if he gets a 1st Round Grade from the Advisory Board... I think it's important to remember that QB's are going to continue to be over-drafted due to the Rookie Salary scale...