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African or European?

Based on some research I posted in the copyright thread in the OT forum, it looks like you don't actually need the player's consent to sell the photos. The Bills and NFL logos may need to be removed, due to trademarks, but otherwise he's in the clear. There's a good case from James Brown's estate vs a photographer, and selling the photographs of Brown was considered legal.

How many of the people who are calling would really have cancelled Sunday Ticket if there was no deal? I doubt very many would have. I'm surprised by the deep discount -- I would've thought Superfan for free would've been enough of an incentive to keep most people. With the discounts, it's cheaper now than it used to be 5 years ago!

Hey, if you read the whole thing, you get a real answer with a real court case and everything! http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/Appe...ust/1060870.pdf

I haven't read the whole thing (it's rather long), but this seems like a good read: http://www.danheller.com/model-release-primer This part seems to agree with my statement about Cincy taking my picture and selling the photo:

Hey, no fair - you added to your post after I replied You don't have to SELL something for it to be commercial use. You're using the NFL to get people into your church which could be considered commercial. In addition, you aren't even the one who is shooting the game, so it really has nothing to do with the photography question.

The only times I've seen the celebrities sue is when photos are taken of them and they had an expectation of privacy (for example, in their backyard, surrounded by a high fence, and a photographer finds a way to take a picture of them from a tree or helicoptor). I haven't heard of any cases where the celebrity sued for a general shot. From everything I've been reading, if you took a picture of me and sold the image without my permission, I actually can't sue you because it's NOT commercial. Now if you took a picture of me surfing the web, and used it to advertise for your computer repair company, then I could sue you. From this thread: http://www.sandiegodslr.com/?q=node/977 "General consensus seems to be that if the photo is used to sell something else--a mug, a brand of auto, whatever--then it's commercial use. Although the above opinion goes against that idea, it seems to say that a photo on a shirt might be protected, it just wasn't in this case for other reasons." The thread also makes mention of: "Pro sports you also have league trademarks to deal with." That's where you might run into problems with the Bills -- the jerseys themselves might have trademark protection of some sort. It's all very grey. Just like most of our laws...

My understanding of the difference between commercial and non-commercial use was that commercial use is promoting a product/service (ie: using a picture of TO writing with a Sharpie to sell Sharpies), whereas non-commercial use would be taking a picture and simply selilng the image itself. Non-commercial use does not require a release. Of course this is all gathered from reading the web, so who knows how accurate that is. However, if it were illegal to sell pictures of people without written permission, then wouldn't the Paparazzi be out of business...?

I'd really like to know the answer to that... Public place, so should be free game. But maybe not?? Hmm.

The EXIF data's gone...

You'd be better off getting a universal remote. Nobody should ever judge a piece of CE by the remote as that can be easily changed. The only backlit remotes I have in my entire house are my HD DVD remote, and Denon 3808ci remote, and my two Home Theater Master remotes (MX500 and MX700). I haven't really messed with any of the weather/scores stuff yet myself. I know if you're on a sports channel, you can press the RED button on the remote and it will bring up team standings, scores, stats, etc. I'd rather use the web, but it's there for those who want it. If you think it's cool that you can listen to music from your PC on your HD DVR, then you'll really like this: http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/conte...ssetId=P4920044 You can install an application on your PC and watch recorded shows from your DVR! It's still in beta, but I've used it a few times and it works well if you have the hardware for it.

That's what they offered -- but did you ask for more? You can probably call back and ask for $20/month for 6 months and free Superfan and they'll most likely give it to you.

Glad you're feeling better now! I had no idea what diverticultis was, so looked it up... Sounds miserable. "About 10 percent of Americans older than 40 have diverticulosis.1 The condition becomes more common as people age. About half of all people older than 60 have diverticulosis.2" Remind me not to get old...

Yes, that's what IANAL means -- if you put it in Google, the first hit tells you what it means. Basically means, "Don't get pissed at me if the info I gave you is wrong." Agreed that the PDF doesn't really cover selling too much -- I think the book the guy writes does cover that though. Also, this is training camp, not an NFL game. Not sure if that changes anything or not. Check out the forums at Photo.net -- there's lots of questions about legalese stuff there, although nothing replaces talking to your lawyer. CW

First off - IANAL. That said, do you need a ticket to go to training camp? If so, the ticket will probably say whether you can sell the photos or not. If there's no ticket, and you can just walk in, it's a little more gray. The parade, I believe, is in public space -- therefore you'd be able to sell those if you want, even pictures of the players since they have no "expectation of privacy." Or at least that's my understanding of it. Of course if you're trying to sell the photos for commercial use (ie: sell it to Coke for their new ad campaign, as an example), then you need waivers and such. But selling the photo itself should be allowed I believe. This is a nice printout to keep you in camera bag (and he IS a lawyer ): http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf He has a book that's supposed to be really good too - I haven't read it though: http://www.krages.com/lhp.htm

Lowers != eliminates

You forget about TKO?

You know what else is crazy? Everyone on an airplane has paid a different price! And did you know people pay different amounts for the same hotel room too?!?!? Just call, say "cancel sunday ticket" to the menu prompt, and tell the retention person you'd like to get $20 off/month for 6 months and free Superfan. I finally got around to doing it last night, and the guy said, "No problem, I can do that." 10 minutes later, done.

Sweet! I'm flying Midwest Express for the first time this October. We'll see how it goes.

In case you didn't know, the airlines actually own Orbitz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbitz "Orbitz was the airline industry's response to the rise of online travel agencies such as Expedia and Travelocity, as well as a solution to the continued increase in Global Distribution System GDS fees. Continental Airlines, Delta Air Lines, Northwest Airlines, and United Airlines, subsequently joined by American Airlines,"

I haven't read the whole thread - but cops in Boston have a pretty poor history, PERIOD... Remember the ATHF "bombs" around the city? Remember the girl who was wearing a breadboard in the airport (not even at a security checkpoint), who they later said was lucky to not have been shot and killed? The only difference is that those cases involved white people.

Speaking of millbank.... Has anyone heard from him lately? He hasn't been on since June and I haven't heard anything in awhile.

Well to be fair, he did say "individual stocks." And I don't think he's wrong. Consumer debt is generally not lumped in with mortgage debt, it usually means credit cards (at least in my mind).

A bunch of my coworkers play... One "gave up the habit" a year or so ago, but then someone else gave him a free 10 day trial and he's hooked back in. I've never understood the allure of paying $10-$15/month to play a game... I'd like a little more variety, and don't want a monthly bill for it. But I feel like I'm in the minority.