Albany,n.y.

A lot of times when a team unexpectedly trades or waives a player, people question why without realizing that the coaches see the guy all week at practice when the rest of the league and fans only see the guy on Sundays. I think it's easier for the team a declining player or a bust draft choice is on to properly evaluate him than any other team & all fans. Carroll saw him just about every day last year in a 7-10 season & very well could have concluded Russ' best days were behind him. All Denver had was gameday films and maybe a pro scout or 2 who saw him play live in a game or 2. Another possibility was Pete saw how swelled his head had become & no longer wanted to deal with the guy.

It should have been titled "Disabled Man" , not Old Man.

It's still a QB driven league. Even if SF gets to the Super Bowl, it's going to be Jimmy G vs a franchise QB from the AFC (hopefully Josh Allen). This reminds me of the time back in 2019 when I looked at an upcoming December night game Bills at Steelers where Pittsburgh was favored and thought Josh Allen vs Duck Hodges, laughed and then raced to the casino to bet the Bills on the money line.

I think he'd clear waivers & end up on a practice squad. Maybe we'll find out within the next year who is right because as of now it's too speculative to be anything other than an opinion.

The only way that's happening is if we get nothing back in return but give them a 3rd to take Moss off our hands. OK, time to ask a serious question: Why are there so many posters who believe Zack Moss, who has no trade value and might not even get picked up if we waived him, is someone any other NFL team would trade for? His career appears to be following in the footsteps of Robert Foster.

Kiper actually did retire after Clausen didn't become a star. Clausen lasted through the 2013 season with Carolina before moving on to Chicago. Kiper never printed another draft report book after the 2013 edition. In that final report his top 2 QBs were 1) Geno Smith and 2) Matt Barkley. He had EJ 6th. It may have taken 9 years, but Kiper did get the 2013 QB class as correct as could be. NO other QB but those 2 is still in the league. In retrospect, Kiper did a better job than Buddy Nix and his assistant at the time, Doug Whaley.

Mel Kiper said the same thing on the ESPN broadcast of the 2018 draft, comparing him with Randy Johnson. It starts around the 1:10 mark:

Actually, no competent NFL scouting department would give a damn about comparable statistical data on college QBs. The scouts look at film & in game situations, not sheets of paper. The management also talks to a prospect they are thinking of using a 1st round pick on as well as his former coaches. Here's a good example: Do you really think you can take college QB stats of a California or Florida QB and compare them with stats of any QB playing in bad weather states? How about one who played all the teams' home games in a dome? There's no such thing as historical data on college QBs. Film, interviews and watching live games is what scouting top college players is all about, not some prior data based on statistics. I remember Beane talking about some of the reasons for drafting Josh. Among them was a game in bad weather where Josh almost single handedly willed Wyoming to victory but on the stat sheet he looked horrible. That can't be taken into account in trying to use comparable historical data because there is none. Beane has talked about the (at least) 3 interviews with Josh, at the combine, Wyoming & Orchard Park, He even spoke of how Josh reacted with the office staff at One Bills Drive. Then there was the film study of every game. There's no way to quantify a complete scouting report on any individual and compare it to any historical data. You might get lucky if you can ever find 2 similar scouting reports on 2 different franchise QBs, because I don't think a competent final report can be compared to another player unless they had almost identical circumstances.

He was not terrible in his 1st year. Stat boys will say that but nobody who watched him play every game and took into consideration who was around him would say that if they are in the visual fan column. He was basically QBing a 2-14 team, yet his record as a starter was 5-6 and one of those loses was a game Peterman came in & lost for the Bills. He showed flashes of brilliance from his 2nd start on. He willed the Bills to victory in half the games he started & finished. I never considered him terrible and had all the confidence in the world he'd lead the Bills to a lot of wins in his 2nd season after watching him play as a rookie. In fact, I cashed a bunch of future bets on the Bills in 2019 because I knew I didn't see terrible in 2018.

Looks like his wife is from Buffalo or was living there in 1992. I don't know why he was in Buffalo-maybe playing against the Bisons. Hoffman met his wife Tracy in Buffalo, New York, in 1992, where she was a real estate agent and a member of the National Football League's Buffalo Bills cheerleading squad. He asked her to marry him in 1993 while she was on the field during Super Bowl XXVII (which the Bills lost to the Dallas Cowboys, 52–17).[8] Hoffman and his wife have three sons: Brody, Quinn, and Wyatt.[127] The family lived in a house in Rancho Santa Fe, California, for nearly two decades before selling it in 2019.[210]

Nope, So. Cal.

The source was Dan Snyder, from the latest addition to his blackmail file. 😀

In the NFL the employees make more than their bosses: I order of salaries: Players>Coaches>GMs.

Have you ever been to Highmark? Screaming, standing and blocking views is the standard.

I'd say Murray is the least accomplished of any of the 40 million $ men. He got it because he has a good agent who could threaten that he'd go back to baseball. Jackson has no agent and no other sport to scare Baltimore. He's likely to get franchised because. he's too stubborn to hire an agent. Then he's in another prove it year in 2023.

The rookie with raw talent had David Culley as his QB coach

That's very similar to the 2017 Bills when many of us thought that we were doomed to QB purgatory when we were drafting 21 and 22. Since Joe Schoen was here when we got from 21 to 7 and got the best player in the draft, I think he will know how to move up if he has a player they really want.

If Belichick can get a 1st rounder for Jones before the trade deadline he should go for it. Been there done that with Bledsoe.

Dead cap #s of over $97 million in 2023 & over $81 million in 2024 means he'll be there for a while. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/kyler-murray-29036/

I'm guessing the upper deck in KC isn't on the verge of becoming a death trap.

I got my ticket & a bus trip from Albany for $139, including $10 trip insurance. You can't even get a ticket for that price & that's before parking which is close to $80. From Albany it also costs another $40-50 in gas. Bargain of the year!

They must be thinking of former Patriot, the late Jim Nance. Since he died 30 years ago they shouldn't think he's the one calling play by play.

He's still going to get paid because he is still in the 1st half of starting QBs in the league-that's what slightly above average says & you're right about that. Look at the salaries some QBs are getting. The top 3 are not getting the job done. Rodgers is getting money based on last year & beyond, Wilson may be on the decline, but had leverage because of the trade, Murray is getting big money in spite of mediocre production, because just like Lamar Jackson in Baltimore the team really has no alternative but to pay him. Look at the rest of the guys in the 30-40 million range just below Josh, I wouldn't want to be paying any of those guys big bucks, but that's the current rate for slightly above average & the price is only going up each year. Here are the salary rankings for the top-20 quarterbacks based on average annual value, per Over The Cap. 1. Aaron Rodgers (Packers): $50.3 million (3-year, $150.8 million contract) 2. Russell Wilson (Broncos): $49 million (5-year, $245 million contract) 3. Kyler Murray (Cardinals): $46.1 million (5-year, $230.5 million contract) 4. Deshaun Watson (Browns): $46 million (5-year $230 million contract) 5. Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs): $45 million (10-year $450 million contract) 6. Josh Allen (Bills): $43 million (6-year $258 million contract) 7. Derek Carr (Raiders): $40.47 million (3-year, $121.4 million contract) T-8. Dak Prescott (Cowboys): $40 million (4-year, $160 million contract) T-8. Matt Stafford (Rams): $40 million (4-year $160 million contract) T-10. Kirk Cousins (Vikings): $35 million (1-year $35 million contract) 11. Jared Goff (Lions): $33.5 million (4-year $134 million contract) 12. Carson Wentz (Commanders): $32 million ($4-year 128 million contract) 13. Matt Ryan (Colts): $30 million (5-year $150 million contract) 14. Ryan Tannehill (Titans): $29.5 million (4-year $118 million contract) 15. Jimmy Garoppolo (49ers): $27.5 million (5-year $137.5 million contract) 16. Tom Brady (Buccaneers): $25 million (1-year contract) 17. Jameis Winston (Saints): $14 million (2-year $28 million contract) 18. Marcus Mariota (Falcons): $9.375 million (2-year $18.75 million contract) 19. Trevor Lawrence (Jaguars): $9.19 million (4-year $36.79 million contract) 20. Joe Burrow (Bengals): $9.04 million (4-year $36.19 million contract) https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/nfl-highest-paid-quarterbacks-2022-aaron-rodgers-kyler-murray

I guess I'll have to translate. If you think so little of Lamar Jackson you know nothing about football. Only a complete know nothing would claim he should be a backup. I tried using sarcasm instead of calling you a know nothing because I didn't want to get personal, but I guess you didn't get it so next time I'll just call you what you are since you have no problem insulting others.

Packers might as well release Aaron Rodgers or name him their backup since he & Lamar are playing about the same the last few weeks.