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Wow, that's really surprising. It suggests they always had a round 2 grade on Epenesa and the "can't believe he fell" talk was just blowing smoke...

He's a transition QB for a transition program. He'd be a band-aid, not a long-term replacement...

That may have been the plan heading into the draft. But once Epenesa fell, he would likely have been higher on their board and would have still been the choice...

Me too. I enjoyed the mental gynastics / logic problem of your post, but this is just boring now. The sad reality is that even though money circulated, the hotel owner got screwed as he received nothing in return for his room. Maybe he can work out an arangement with the prostitute to get some kind of compensation, if not of the monetary kind...

Borrower Lender Item of Value Provided for $100 Loan Collected Dollars Retained by Lender Hotel owner Butcher Meat Yes $100 Butcher Farmer Pig Yes $100 Farmer Co-Op Grain Yes $100 Co-Op Prostitute Personal Services Yes $100 Prostitute Hotel owner Hotel Room Yes $0 If you underwrite loans like this at your bank, I suggest you fire your CFO...

$100 which he couldn't keep, spend or return to his shareholders. It may as well been printed on Elbonian toilet paper...

LOL! Sorry, he's out $100. It has nothing to do with circulation. The money she gave him is the equivalent of a bounced check. And I'm sure you know who bears the liability in those instances. I'm done here too. But if your bank would lend me $100, I'd happily take it. See how long it would remain as an asset on your balance sheet, however, when I pay it back with monopoly money...

He eliminated a debt but is out $100 for the fair market value of the original room, so who's the loser here? He extended $100 in credit to the lady of the night. The $100 in room revenue represented by this credit was never received, however, since he ultimately didn't get to keep the money the 'tire kicker' temporarily put down on his counter. The room the prostitute used then became a writeoff--he got nothing for the exchange when he potentially could have rented it to another customer who would have payed him $100 for it. His balance sheet is immaterial in this example...

The point is, he didn't get to keep it. So it was never his to begin with. And I did indeed read the first sentence. But found the logic train to be fake news, so....

Nah. Somebody is always a bag holder. In this case, it's the hotel owner who's still out $100 to the prostitute--and now has very little possibility of collecting on the credit he extended to her and will have to write it off. Do that enough and he'll have to shut the hotel, eliminating a potential sale to the butcher, who'll then need to cut back with the hog farmer, who'll....

Per the Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-unveils-pay-cuts-furloughs-while-roger-goodell-forgoes-salary-for-now-11588185251?mod=hp_featst_pos1 NFL Unveils Pay Cuts, Furloughs While Roger Goodell Forgoes Salary for Now Commissioner Roger Goodell told NFL employees that the league would furlough some workers and reduce salaries as the league grapples with the economic impact caused by the coronavirus. The memo, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, is the latest indication of the powerful financial toll that the coronavirus has taken on the sports world. The cuts, which include permanent pension reductions that have drawn the ire of some league employees, come with the league still four months out from the scheduled start to its regular season. The memo, sent to employees at the league’s office in New York, NFL Films and NFL Network, outlined tiered salary reduction, from 5% to employees at the manager level to 15% for executive vice presidents. The cuts don’t affect anyone making less than $100,000, the memo said. The pay cuts and furloughs just address those employees, not players. Goodell also went to the compensation committee last month and gave up his salary for now, according to a person familiar with the matter. Goodell’s most recent contract, agreed to in 2017, calls for a salary of less than $4 million, with incentives that can bring his annual total up to $40 million.

ESPN is a destitute man's Sports Illustrated (even in its current, shell of itself form)...

I wonder if this guy even makes it to training camp...

This picture was in a story on NFL streaming in today's Wall Street Journal website. Add a few more $$ to Tre's contract...

Agreed on speed. There are many, many RBs that fall into that 4.5 to 4.6 range, with Chubb being a good contemporaneous comparable. Like Moss, he's a one cut runner who uses other elements of the RB tool kit to be effective. And I don't think we need to go all Zapruder with the video either. That just seems way too anal unless we're the one's signing the paychecks...

The Cover 1 video was great, but to be honest, it just included "wins" and not the full picture of Epenesa's game. I watched several complete Iowa games on Youtube, particulary of the grudge match, strong competition and bowl game variety, which is how I like to get the measure of a prospect. Not every play is a "win" and I learn just as much -- sometimes more -- watching where he didn't make a highlight (or even effective) play. It's the best way to see the pros and the cons of a player's game, in my estimation. IMO, Epenesa is a very raw -- but moldable -- player who still has a ton to learn. But also a guy who can grow to be a better version of Lawson in a year or two. That might seem like a low ceiling, but a consistent 6.5-7 sack guy who can also set the edge and play the run well in a rotational role is a very valuable player...

Moss ran a 4.52 at his pro day. For comparison, D'Andre Swift ran a 4.48, Cam Akers ran a 4.47, A.J. Dillon ran a 4.53. Nick Chubb, a guy I think is very similar to Moss, ran a 4.53 at the combine. Frank Gore, another good comp, ran a 4.58. I posted this in another thread, but the "mystery player" I compared Moss to turned out pretty well for the Bills once upon a time... Mystery Player Zach Moss 40 Yard Dash: 4.47 seconds 4.52 20 Yard Split: 2.59 seconds 2.63 10 Yard Split: 1.61 seconds 1.60 Bench Press: 13 reps (225 lb) 19 reps Vertical Leap: 33.0 inches 33.0 Broad Jump: 114.0 inches N/A 20 Yd Shuttle: 4.21 seconds 4.37 Height: 69.9 inches 70.0 Weight: 198 pounds 222 Hand Size: 8.75 inches 9.25 BMI: 29.18 32.62

Man I can only wonder what street you've been driving down. You might be the only person in America -- Bills fan or otherwise -- to just see warts on these guys and not the complimentary nature of how they fit into the roster and bring skill sets that we didn't have or can take advantage of. Other than the Fromm and Bass picks, I think there is a great deal to work with in this draft class. There are other ways to continue plugging holes at o-line or DB (post-draft and June 1st cuts of veterans, modest trades for depth players, etc.). There's only a few depth positions left to fill and the Bills are in good shape already...

One of the biggest takeaways I got from that video is how raw Epenesa still is as a player. When I watched several of his games, I was surprised at how he seemed to struggle a bit with his vision and recognition on running plays. Sometimes the runner would go right by him, or he would be late in filling a gap that could have taken the runner down. It wasn't because he was out of position--it just seem like he didn't process the play quickly. What this video told me--which I hadn't realized--is just how inexperienced he really is. Just 13 games as a starter, with his primary emphasis on pass rush, rather than being a 3-down player. As a result, there's still a lot for him to still learn. But importantly, he has the tools to round out his game and become more complete. He's in the perfect place to continue learning his craft and be mentored by some real pros, pros who will teach him how to play the game. This should be exciting...

What a great video! He's a very mature and well spoken kid who fits the Bills profile to a tee. I'm excited to see how he embraces Buffalo and the opportunity ahead of him...

Yes, those were certainly hidden assets...

I have now changed my mind on Fromm, for two BIG reasons. Welcome to Buffalo, Jake...and family!

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I don't think I need to read 40 pages of this thread--those are my thoughts as well. I haven't followed Fromm's career but after watching the Georgia-Auburn game and the Sugar Bowl vs. Baylor, my take on him is: He hands off well He gets his team lined up quickly D'Andre Swift is going to be a star Nathan Peterman would feel pretty confident in a head to head shootout Man, what a poor arm, even by Matt Barkley standards. I can't see this kid ever being more than a clipboard holder / player coach. Now, that's an important role, but holy cow, if he ever has to take the field in a competitive game I think we're all going to throw up in our mouths a bit...

Whoa, nelly. Might want to pull the reins back a bit there. Moulds played three years in the SEC against the best players in the country, at a time when the ball was much less aired out. The AAC that Davis played in is good, but a big step down in competition and talent. He'll have a lot of work to do to get to EM's level...