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What's the longest a Mcd d has gone without forcing 1+ turnovers in consecutive games? I'm actually fairly confident that we will get this back on track

KC sent high picks for various failed wrs from other teams and traded their best for a 1st (and more) and he had a like 1600 yard season for the fish. It's fine, losing what should be a 3handle pick is not so much to lose to get a high quality talent with problems on a cheap contract. We have our wr dollars in shakir, Samuel, and Palmer (that's like 30mm a year) and they barely produce (heck, two of them are hurt). Sometimes these guys need a change of scenery and I'm sure getting targets from Josh in the playoffs will excite whatever love this kid still has for football. I just read mad max will be playing, along w the roid champions. If Milano and Bernard can get health, along w dq, that's a ton less holes on the d. Throw in this kid on o and kinkaide back, and all of a sudden the talent level of this team is HUGELY improved over what we had vs ATL.

Rapp and Tre out for Max and Hancock is a lot of rookies but a lot of speed and athleticism in the back end. Maybe we can play man and use our suddenly kinda deep and talented front to creat pressure

I think mean and mc derm would be a good combo Guy is a wizard getting backs, tight ends, and crazy formations to work. They would be the exciting but also ball control hero o we need but don't deserve

True, but that's an insane move. I guess it would be possible if they took ladd thinking he's too talented to pass up, and then after his first year see he's better than shakir so let shakir walk, but I wonder if they'd even give him snaps w shakir being the senior guy. I really think our to just has their guys and basically marry them

i see this as a shadow benching. rapp lost his courage, i think the concussions have him doubting if he want's to play or not. mcd will not tolerate that, so he made a drastic move. i really really hope hancock ends up being a total db gem. gosh we could use it.

so i hate seeing josh look sad and lost as we lose, gotta be the worst thing. that said, i remember when we ditched dorsey for brady (good move). our like yards and points per game were almost exactly the same after. we just had fewer turnovers and ran more and passed less. also, i read that josh has like the exact same (to two decimal places) EPA per play this year as last year through this many games. this is with kinkaid emerging as more or less the best TE in football so far, and cook being a savage monster. and our record is what, exactly what it was last year at this time, with almost the exact same two crummy losses with the d folding and the O losing the plot? while how the points and yard happen change, and we have our good games and bad, the actual consistency of our O and josh is actually insane. if he's healthy we have just as good of a shot or better as we had in seasons prior. more than any other, i think this seasons is on our coaching staff -- they will either ascend and show that they are elite or they will falter and remove all doubt that we need to move on.

lol, i wish there was a silly blushing emoticon. i'm still a goofy homer, so i'm hoping mcclaps read the riot act over the bye week and forced brady to actually see what works and why and build his plans around that, rather than his kinda madden sampler pack of play calling. our big giant corn fed uglies shoulda been just mugging the lil fast athletes of the ATL D and ground them to dust. who cares who our WR 1 or 2 is when we are physically assaulting the d and making LBs spin like tops trying to cover tight ends and then having cook and TY catch quick passes out the back field slice them up like mike meyers.

ya Billl (3 Ls, which i hope is the ceiling of how many Ls our team has this season) you make a good point on this. keon is like middle of the pack of where he should be based on his numbers and the numbers of the wr's in that same draft and where he was taken (ladd is a slam dunk tho, which makes it sad we didn't draft him but such is life). as i mentioned in another thread, to me the big issue is the disconnect between what players our gm got and how our coaches (brady mostly) use them. keon or palmer out wide with 22 or 13 or whatever big personnel seems to be nasty work, but we seem to insist to have him 1 on 1 vs a good corner fielding fades and back shoulder throws. we are using our rooks like bishops and our pawns like knights at times out there, makes me insane!

WRs bust off all the time, so i can't really be mad at mcbean about keon. i didn't want him, but that's only because joe marino didn't want him, joe marino liked that guy from SC (lagget?) who carolina got, and he's god awful, like not 1/5th as good as keon is so far. i think the big issue is, and this is an again again again, brady/mccoach is so schematically set in his ways/arrogant that scheme fit is just way too important vs like every other aspect of a player. we called mcbean the db whisperer and he has a really strong track record of getting db performance, making OK players look like stars, but i think a big part of that is they were perfect for his scheme and his scheme was perfect for them. it's easy to identify the traits/skills that we don't have at the wr position (palmer kinda has the man beating seperation by route running deep threat gene, but not in great quantities, and OF COURSE he's hurt) but (and i thought this was a good thing but what do i know) we seem to just love wrs who can run block above all else. we are the number 1 or 2 rushing team in the nfl, and that's awesome, but it seems to have come at the cost of being able to let josh cook, and what really grinds my gears is we are lining up in like 11 vs NE and atl and getting nothing from it. there is an element, particularly on offense, of brean getting players (hines before, or the mix of backs and tes and ol we have now, you have to give him flowers for the job he's done there) and our OC just like refusing to use them. we are near the bottom in the nfl in passes to backs, and last year we seemed allergic to play action passes (when we ran them the numbers were astounding). we ish on bean for the lack of talent on the roster, and we ish on the corches for the frustrating stuff we see ahead of time but they seem to notice late in the game or not at all, but one of the biggest reasons i kinda thing we need a big reset of some kind is because if we just look at what our GM has done well (qb, rb, te, ol) it's baffling how our OC is running an O that emphasizes our total lack of talent at x/z. the disconnect in our brain trust is itself i think our biggest issue right now.

it is interesting that we didn't take ladd because we had shakir, kinda shows the bills loyalty to their guys mindset. at this point it would have been better to not extend shakir, draft ladd, and used the shakir money to bundle up w palmer money and go get like devonte adams or something, but i admit that's 20/20 hindsight cherry picking. there is an element of the bills really deferring to guys they "know".

I think you make a strong point. my consideration on this tho: our HC has a pretty big influence on who gets drafted, i think more than most HCs. also, if you bring in a good GM, he will most likely want to hire his own coaches. beane came in after mcd, who basically hired his old pal from carolina, and who since added a lot of players and coaches who had prior carolina experience. how would mcd be with a new GM? any GM worth his salt is going to come in as the main guy, and make his own coaching decisions. one that would come in and be mcd friendly will still be influenced by mcd. beane has had issues with getting talent at wr, and maybe left too many holes at safety or corner or whatever, but his real failings have been Star and star contract milano contract diggs extension (not the initial trade for him, that was great) von and his contract knox contract tre contract (he got hurt right after) the draft capital given up for in season trades (3rd for that fat carolina WR, 3rd or so for hines, 3rd for wr last season, 3rd for douglas) he's made some otherwise good picks and good extensions, but those once are what really killed us, we were paying so much for WR, LB, CB, TE, Pass rusher and for 2+ seasons basically had none of them. as of this season we have holes at 3 of those positions still!

our d has been getting a lot of pressure, missing a ton of tackles, and honestly play the run realllllly aggressively. it's either a stuff or they rip off long runs, nothing in between. if our roid heroes can be all we hope, that should reflect in the rushing D, and pressure rate (or actual sacks, as our pressure rate has been strong). on the flip side, i'd like to see josh have a vintage alex smith type of game where he completes all of his passes ot backs and tes, with like 3 to WRs sprinkled in.

Mcd has daboll, who might somehow keep his job at nyg this sesaon. if brady goes to pen st, i don't think you'd be able to include him unless he returns to the nfl. just like no one views the OCs who have come out of ried's staff lately as hot prospects because they see the O as really belonging to andy, i think you'll get the same thing on the d side of the ball for mcd. given how no good coaches come out of buffalo, and outside of wyatt teller no good players have come out of buffalo (maybe settle too, but he was a player elsewhere, and kinda sorta not really puna ford and diggs), either mcd is a figgen genius or josh, dawkins, and a couple other guys have just been good enough to get by and almost get there. given how consistent our problems on D have been vs good coaches (basically either kc walks all over us in the playoffs, or other teams like indy w rivers, cincy in 2022) or LITERALLY EVERY TEAM WITH AN ELITE BACK AND PLUS QB and that allen is one of one with his touchdown producing magic, i tend to think mcd is not a genius and allen has literally saved this crap front office for years. it's also the consensus opinion of outspoken nfl analysts and handy cappers. we are strong favorites in the majority of our games, and at most like 3 point under dogs vs the absolute best. if allen didn't play i don't think we'd be favored over most teams save the raiders and the jets.

in recent history (since 2k) we have tampa canning dungy to bring in chuckie and winning a chip. we have indy firing their prior coach and bringing in dungy and winning a chip. we have denver firing fox (wasn't that right after going to and losing a chip?!?!, that would be the highlight of mcclappy's career, losing a superbowl) and brining in next dude who won a chip. we have philthy firing fat andy who went on to be considered one of the goats, and then (a bit later mind you) got a chip coach, and kinda two chip qbs, ditched both qbs and the coach, got a coach, went to two and won a chip. i really hope we break this trend and are the first to win after many years w teh same hc and qb, but there's not data that says moving onto the next won't improve our chances. obviously we could get a pumpkin and it would make us worse, but how many NFL pros/experts would even say we have the best coach in our division, and this is considering two of them have combined for one total win this season, and are both wondering if they get fired during or at the end of this season.

we have what we do best, we should do that until teams stop us from doing that. having our big people out there with cook and allen and the ol gives us a better group of talent than our opponents except for maybe a couple of match ups (i remember thinking the late 2024 baltimore d which was #1 after a horrible start was a bad match up, we got to up 2 points and had to kill the clock, and we just ran power with ty johnson and took a first down from their d hell bent on stopping a run. big people win football games most of the time, no reason to not think ours can too). you can run and pass out of heavy formations, we are literally the best at that. allen throws perfect lazers to tightends and to wrs in long routs out of max protect and play action (the bomb to set off our first score that hit palmer was in like 12 or 22 formation, without our best te). we can do that and no huddle into having ty or cook line up in the slot, kinkaid in the slot, or the wr in the slot and kinkaid out wide. we can run allen runs out of that, we can run gap or zone out of that, and we will take the teeth out of any blitz like that. if kinkaid was right last season maybe he catches that 4th down pass on a blitz that was picked up wrong vs kc, that could be a chip play, and now we have better players for it. the big issues is we tell the d what we are doing and arrogantly do it. there is no need for that and it must stop. we can do that in the 4th with a lead when the opponents d is gassed and sad.

lorax was really good under mcd, he was an all pro (2nd team) in 16, and played in 17, 18, and 19 for the mcd d and did really well in spot play. hoyt will be our lorax now, and obietrenkanobie will be a solid DT. going from snaps with wet behind the ears rookies and practice squad guys to a deep DT rotation of oliver, dq, walker, obiwan, tj sanders in base dl sets is awesome. being able to have some fresh legs and go bosa oliver, groot, aj (mix in walker and hoyt) as a nascar package is a big deal too. last year in the playoffs in must impact downs late vs lamar jackson and kermit we had jordan phillips, the ghost of von, and solomon taking meaningful quantities of reps. that's shocking.

given injuries, the dline and special teams have played great. the secondary is pure dirty cheeks. the linebackers might be worse, save shaq. honestly, if this team had an average YPC given up in the run game, with the same distribution of stuffs and explosive runs, we have at least 1 more win -- which tells me the biggest hole is LB and Safety. on the other side of the ball, injuries to palmer and kinkaid suck, but i put the two losses on brady more than anyone else. if we had shanahan level offensive coaching we'd be 6-0, brady w his head removed from his coccyx we'd be at least 5-1.

if this kid is gonna hit his ceiling and be as good or better of a corner as tre was in his prime, then he will contribute positively to the team out the gate. if he can play i think he should play. let him make his mistakes now so come playoffs he's g2g.

TBH, hendricks gets what, 30mm a year, parsons gets 40, crosby and garrett are between there. groot gets like 50-60% of elite money, which is basically fair. based on this year benford and bernard are overpaid, based on their prior 2 they are either fairly paid or kinda cheap. ed is a bit cheap right now but not consistent, bosa is on a so far very cheap 1 year deal. the problem is we have so many holes on d, too many street guys and rookies taking snaps at DT, and we need a real play maker to emerge.

i dunno what happened but this kind of thing can get a player in deep doo doo. i swear the nfl likes the awful reffing as long as it leads to the bigger draw teams doing well/driving revenue.

the success rate per play and the pressure by the d shows where our wins will come from, should they come. the article was good but did not mention penalties. since the NO game we have been about the worst in the nfl in penalties and penalty differential. some of that is bad/unlucky calls but more of it is unprepared players and sloppy play. on the turnover front -- it's true we can't always expect to generate turnovers and to not turn the ball over, but the two jet sweep fumbles were hideous play calls and design. most jet sweeps run are little underhand tosses, so that if the ball is dropped it is an incomplete pass rather than a fumble, we of course have to outsmart everyone and fumble the ball and kill the drive. a couple of the ints were on bad spacing/play design and frankly being just too predictable (the 80% run under center, 80% pass out of shotty is OD). i heard today the bills allow the highest % of explosive run plays (i think 10 or 15 yards) and the highest % of stuffs (like 1 yard or less). while the secondary play always seem super lax and conservative, we play the run like psycho gamblers. also, we run about as much as anyone, and are basically about the best at it on offense. it's pretty clear we have to build on strength and put wrinkles into the offense to be less predictable and on D to somehow not just allow teams to run on us at will. a couple stuffs and a 20 rip is a net negative for the D. we are personnel limited and maybe just maybe KC is too stacked w all the speed on O this season for us to do anything, but if we can get the DL to be the strength of the d, which it has shown it can be so far, and line up w lots of TEs and backs and pass and run with our best talent on the field, then i think we have our best chance.

mcclappy is 8-0 in games after bye weeks. i suspect we win this game in a laugher.

they need to trade waddle to us for picks

I remember Kevin gilbrides NFL coaching career. He was a crazy man who coached offense as if football was played on an infinite field and the goal was to net the gains you had on o vs the ones you lost on d, and whoever was the furthest ahead at the end of the game clock was the winner. Always at all times he was looking for the biggest plays. If it was 2nd and 2 and a 40 yard down the field out to the 3wr was in his mind the highest expected value of yards gained, then that what he called. It was horrible when you had a lead and wanted to kill clock. He was the merchant of passing to set up the run and he always had super productive running backs but they were running out of basic run schemes vs light boxes, and his protections were fairly simple too, but in passing it was all option routes all the time. It was super green light football. It lead to multiple disasters, as well as multiple top ranked is and two rings w the giants. Total boom bust guy. MCD to me seems to be a guy who coaches to have the best average result. He is similarly to gilbride an all eggs in few baskets kinda coach. He lives in fear of deep passes and will do everything to prevent them, he loves controlling the ball and "complimentary football". He's switched from cowardly to second most aggressive on 4th downs in the NFL, so he can be taught new things mind you. He's built a team to beat the KC team that smoked us on Allen's first afc chip game. The problem is he simply is willing to allow the run in order to stop the pass, and when the d is off it allows both. He doesn't really believe in having a very specific to the opponent game plan, or on having a plan b. The downside is it can super frustrating to watch the bills get gashed with powenruns, or for a death of a thousand cuts while KC just grinds us in the playoffs. The upside is with very tiny adjustments in people or concepts we can all do a sudden be in a game it looked like we were gonna get walked in. The Baltimore comeback and how we shut ATL for basically the entire second half is an example of this just this season. It's lead to a shocking level of season over season consistency and being bounced vs the best teams in the most heart breaking ways. There are other coaches I'd much rather have given the team we have, but we are stuck with him at least until the end of this season and like longer still. The hope is he can snap this team and his coordinators into shape so that they eliminate the penalties, mistakes, and turnovers and get back to their best advantage. He is who he is and has built a team in his scrappy undersized image, we just need some luck and him to add one more wrinkle to just not get out coached by the reids and vrabels of the world who will tailor a game plan to their opponent and stand behind tough physical and dirty football. Dungy was the same kind of guy, he got the boot from TB who won a chip shortly after, but he was able to catch lighting in a bottle and get hot and healthy at the right time w Indy. Let's hope