colin

This is a great thread. the numbers have been discussed to death, and i think it's clear davis has a problem w catching. from watching him play, the thing that stands out to me the most is on the left hand side of the field, either catching over the right shoulder (which several times meant if he catches it clean he's getting 6, instead he drops it) or coming back to the ball, he's just awful. i mean, the number of drops where the ball went through his hands into his chest would be crazy for a good highschool player. he (or the scheme and other players) are doing well to get open in those positions, but he's dropping perfect balls way to often in the exact same way. i hope he can figure this out and simply improve his ability in those spots. coulda been a TD at the jets, and a TD vs the Bengals. if he hits those, it woulda been home field throughout, and there's a shot that we get back in that bengals game and have a sick sick comeback at home.

IMO we can just play our first and second round picks on D more snaps rather than being 9 deep at a huge cost. oliver at 12mm or whatever vs what that would get us on OL (if we ditch saffold who is awful we have like 18MM plus along w the oliver money, that's two monsters at G, better running and more protection for josh). the OL would be playing way more snaps than oliver too, and we showed we can run the ball last season, so w a better offensive mix and line, that would keep the d fresher, which would also offset the loss of oliver.

lol, exactly. we halved our losses from the prior year in 2022, still got the clown shoe booting out of the playoffs w our D laying an egg (o too mind you).

To me, this is why im not so sore about dabol leaving (aside from the fact that we had our own problems w him, and we've had the same numbers on o a better reg season record, and the same playoff exit w dorsey) -- his staff kept ford on and let teller walk. i understand players change and develop and one system is better than another, but ford was a slow fat weak pie eating fatbody who sucked out loud day one, and teller was at least ok to start with and became a savage monster. we had mouse mcnally when peters was on the team, and he had all of one offseason w peters and said he could be one of the best ever. i feel like the candy azz coaches we had, at least for OL, under dabol messed that up awfully.

i know pundits and mock draft gurus aren't NFL GMs and basically don't have the chops to do it for real, but one thing that always stands out to me from these vs what teams actually do is how heavy the mocks/pundit picks/rankings are for players from big schools vs smaller ones. obviously these internet guys don't do any actual scouting and visiting workouts and such, but the basis between who gets picks vs big school mocks, and who does well vs the same mocks is pretty interesting, you'd think someone would pick up on that and do some sort of small school focused junk for us to argue about during the offseason.

This ("artists" being famous for being famous even to an audience that doesn't like nor consume their art) phenomenon is crazy to me. I thought breaking the old model of narrow channels of distribution (controlled by record companies and whoever) would end up letting smaller and different acts grow and compete and everyone find their audience. Strangely, while some some artists get big via grass roots promotion, what sells even more than before is celebrity itself. I just be reactionary (I mean, I am, but I don't think im knee jerking on this one item) but something about that seems pretty terrible to me.

whatever, kc's d scored 7 and they had 7 set up on a silver platter from a huge return. philly wanted to remove the passing attack as much as possible and did decently w that, but had no answer to the free yards up the gut in the second half. mahomes was fine, but he wasn't the reason they won. key mistakes by philly leading to 14 points and the OL got them the W.

mahomes is obviously a great qb, but he didn't do jack yesterday, cmon! 180ish yards, netting like sub 6 per pass? KC ran their way to victory. qb is the most important position obv, and we have a guy who is gonna go down as the best ever, but how do hard core football fans come across as hero worshiping cheerleaders about the qb when you can watch the game and look at the box score and see it wasn't him who decided the game?

the adjustment to run up the gut for what seemed like 10 yards every first down in the second half won the game for KC. KC changed what was not working and Philly did not. our coaches are on record saying they don't adjust, they have jumped the shark from dedicated and "process" focused to arrogant and frozen. 13 seconds and not practicing prior to the cinci game so the team could make heart symbols w their hands on tictok are two things no super bowl winning coach has ever done.

the philly d folded hard when it needed a stop, i think that's the way to see how they didn't help win the game. also, philly lost because of RB runs up the gut. having oliver getting skated and edmunds 15 yards back won't do anything about that, and if we keep edmunds at like 18mm a year or whatever, that's nearly 30mm of cap in those two guys and keep in mind oliver rides the bench about half the time anyhow. given allen another nfl WR and top 10 (not top 3 like the two teams today) blocking and he puts up 40 in any prime time game.

on d philly was extra boring and basic and KCs blocking (not just OL, who are maybe the best in passing, but backs and TEs too) was superb. kc won that game because almost exactly how cinci was running against us, they ran vs the philly d. they attacked one guy up the gut on 1st and 2nd down whenever they saw the match up they wanted, and got huge gains. also, philly made two HUGE 7 point mistakes, the kick return allowed and the fumble for a TD. on D KC just decided to flood against the run and force hurts to be a QB. they dared him to pass and never really rushed him. it woulda been a frustrating way to lose if philly avoided either of those terrible mistakes, or woke up in the second half and did something to not allow KCs easy yards on the ground.

well, i suppose same numbers w less vol is better, and it reflected in our win loss record (we were 7-6 last season, never got close to stinking it up like that this reagular season). to me, our blocking at the end of the season this year was worse, bordering no awful for our last game. lazy fatbodies like our LT and LG in leadership roles no less is not something we can over come.

we had like almost exactly the same O numbers in 22 as 21, but with lower vol, basically because we got conservative on our win streak after losing to minni in order to stop the red zone TOs. im fine w dorsey, i think he gets better year 2.

i saw a vid of him w comedian shane gillis (hilarious guy, lewan and this other ex nfl guy to a barstool podcast) -- lewan is looking crazy thin. he might be closer to 200 and than 300 pounds. mentally, i think he's been done for a year or two. he's got his tens of millions.

there is still a mix, but yeah i think that's the gist of it. i'm good w that. give me an additional wr of any merit and better blocking, and we have a scary deep passing attack and can run the ball too (we were decent at it this year).

we can get trucked in the playoffs with less picks/cap than what we came in with the past four seasons. super necessary edmunds floating in the middle of the field with the TE uncovered underneath beyond the sticks can happen with whoever out there.

same here. i like to read good analysis, especially from a gambling perspective, but i find it hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. the sort of regular way ex players who get treated like Gauss (like Sherman the CB) if they managed to crack 4 digits on the SAT is just awful. there are the occasional player or coach type person who gives something useful, but it's just drowned out by brain dead criminal blow hards carrying on. frankly, this is why i subscribed to The Athletic, but honestly that's turned into the same sort of main stream coverage i got away from. the only exception is that it's middlebrow midwit self congratulatory tripe instead of screaming and gossip. still better i suppose.

oh no bobobonators, don't leave us!

as of right now for 2023 jets do, and it's not close. the important thing to realize, and what will make beane a zero or a hero in the next 12 months, is that you can re set an nfl roster pretty quickly, you just have to get multiple hits in FA and the draft. d'quan and miller along w phillips and lawson were net net not expensive (miller is 17 a year for 3, but he's a monster, the rest were cheap) additions and they upgraded higher paid guys we sent packing the prior year. we need that at OL and WR, and to find some gems in the draft. i think gunner bill pointed out that kc reset their whole flippin team in 2 years, we can do the same.

to me it's 50/50 if this guy becomes a pass rushing monster or just flounders around as the most talented under performer. i don't know exactly what it is, but there is little kook to being a sick pass rusher, and if that's there you get immediate and obvious impact, and if not you just don't. jarred allen, max crosby, that guy who was in indy across from freeny (mathis?) all late picks, combine reports on all were like "meh, could play" and all of them were like day one monsters. maybe not their best top level production, but you could tell they had something. as over rated as the certainty of drafting OTs early (remember the mike lewis book and film?) and as well known the uncertainty of drafting an nfl qb is, i feel like sick pass rushers is just as unpredictable.

i agree, but i think there needs to be a bit of wiggle room for who is available. we can't have another offseason like the last two where we added basically jack to our OL, but if there is a legit top flight wr out there for us, im good putting a few more chips there and adding to OL w more "value". net net, we just don't have talent at OL, gotta fix it.

i honestly don't understand how people have disagreed with this.

personally, i think we have to let him walk to get some WR and OL help, but if we do sign him i hope he takes another step and stays hall of fame level till he retires a bill a long time from now.

dude, i remember reading long threads here and stuff on twitter about dorsey (who does not to improve on some stuff, for sure) being a horrible drop off from daboll, and the numbers WERE NEARLY EXACTLY THE SAME BUT WITH LOWER VOL. like, i think we squeezed the absolute best regular season record we could have in 2022-2023. 3 losses by a total of 8 points, vs teams that were hot at the time, two of which we avenged. it's just that when it came to the tourney, we sucked bad because our coaches decided to be pollyanna babysitters instead of actual football coaches and didn't prep anyone nor did they do anything to fix their obvious schematic holes.

at this point he's not great but he's good, which puts him WAYYYYY ahead of our DL draft schedule based on recent history. the more i look at where we have invested money and picks, the more i am convinced that the modern nfl, and our team particularly, needs stars and can fill in the rest w jags and draft picks. we have so many jags to jags+ (party due to their position, our d needs DL and protects CBs, so we shouldn't have a ton invested in salary of DBs, but we do) and not enough play makers. groot has a shot at being a playmaker, but the odds are long. at the very least he's a good player, and keeping a guy like him (at a premium position) can help us win a chip if he's aided by actual star playmakers.