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Some folks seem to think Carr's contract is too high, but from what I have heard, it is pretty manageable after this year. Then the problem becomes fitting in a 16M cap hit for this year. I don't know how you figure that one out. I think Carr has definitely regressed significantly. If he can return to form, that would be a good deal.

Judgment on the offensive side has not been encouraging. If they got Allen right, that is the most important factor, but I don't see how he develops well if they don't surround him with good players. They need massive upgrades just about everywhere from oline, to wr, to a young rb. I don't know if there was another way, but I would have strongly preferred another way.

The obvious rejoinder is Glenn was necessary to move up in the draft and give one a better chance at a premium qb. I would have liked to find a price that did not include sacrificing a proven OT, though folks also point out injury issues. When Glenn is healthy, he's very good.

Okay. I am taking the second opinion (by Dr. Andrews, the usual expert they go to?) as ruling out what may have been considered borderline prior to the exam. You are taking the initial questionable nature of the injury to be a perduring issue. I hope your more negative assessment is incorrect. I think Josh Allen's current mood and body language from what I have seen indicates a more optimistic prognosis.

On what basis are you making this projection regarding the probability of Allen needing to surgically repair his injury? Seems you are suspicious of the reports that indicate exactly the opposite.

You are more convinced than I am. Frankly, I don't care too much because he isn't playing for my team. The only reason this is an issue here is that those like yourself who are strongly convinced Rosen has a high probability of success are equally convinced Allen has a low probability of success. I see equivocity in both cases and I think Allen has the higher ceiling and much more appealing leadership qualities.

Folks routinely make projections that turn out wrong. So what, really? You do seem pretty certain Rosen is destined to be a superior qb. I don't see how you know that either.

Guess you're too young to remember Johnny U or Joe Montana. I don't think you have to be a jerk to be a good qb. Drew Brees seems like a very nice fella, doesn't he?

LOL. Rosen isn't Brady. No one knows at this point who if any of the rookie qbs will end up as a top qb. I prefer Allen. It's alright if you like Rosen better, but if you are going to make a bad joke at Allen's expense, it ought to be okay to make a bad joke at Rosens'.

I like Rosen. He sulks like Jay Cutler.

Yeah, I would do that. Gruden would insist on Peterman being included and McD would block the trade?

I like Allen considerably more than you. I would not be averse to picking up Carr, but I'm not trading next year's first which is likely to be top five.

Just because your boy Rosen played badly last night doesn't mean the Bills should overpay for Carr.

Fairly certain he'd rather Josh Allen fail than be wrong. I am hopeful, but I don't have a lot of confidence McD has a clue about offense. Next offseason is critical in terms of putting folks around Josh to give him a chance to succeed.

I'm pretty sure there are certain folks tied to analytics that based on said criteria massively preferred Rosen to Allen. Last night's game is not dispositive, but it surely shows that nearly all rookie qbs struggle, especially when they start under less than optimum conditions. The moral ought to be, have more patience and give a fella time to develop before making definitive pronouncements on how someone will turn out. Let's see if anyone takes that to heart. Sitting and learning for a year with Alex Smith for a mentor, Andy Reid for a head coach, and a talented offensive corps. You are joking or out to lunch.

I think a lot of folks didn't like Marrone's personality. I didn't. He appears to be a pretty good coach. I think Opie is somewhat more likeable, but I don't have much confidence he has a clue how to develop a young qb or improve the offense. Next offseason will be crucial in terms of personnel adds.

Thanks, bandit.

This may be answered upthread. How long does a grade 2 generally take to heal? Thanks.

It would be shocking if they didn't devote considerable draft and FA resources to trying to upgrade offensive personnel. Evaluation and development capacity is the issue and so far, there isn't much reason to be hopeful.

Well, that's a relief. I thought you were implying that Allen had no chance of turning into an orangutan.

I was one of the few who liked him before the draft. I factored in the probable need for a redshirt year. If OBD had a decent veteran, he wouldn't have been thrown to the wolves with a porous oline, not very good wr corps, etc. I'm not shocked he's struggling early. I stand by my initial view that he has the talent, intelligence, and character to eventually grow into a solid qb. Fine if you don't agree.

3rd round pick for Benjamin. Pro personnel evaluation is an issue. Offensive player and coach evaluation in general, though I like Allen in spite of the growing pains.

I think it's okay to question particular moves of this regime. It won't help having all that cap space for free agents and draft picks if they don't use them well. Some posters suggest there isn't likely to be a lot of quality free agents in our positions of need. Idk, but so far I don't see much reason to think McD and Beane can evaluate the offensive side of the ball properly. I'm not sold on any of the offensive coaches, though they may turn out well. I liked Josh Allen before the draft and I still think he can be good but besides reps he also needs good coaches and players around him. Patience is going to be hard to come by when they are this level of awful on offense.

Well, I didn't really care who won this series, so I guess I'll root for the Brewers.

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