Bill from NYC
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Bad idea because this draft sucks, or at least it appears that way. If anything perhaps we can trade back into 2026 in some way.
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2 hours ago, Virgil said:
The Bills have an offer to trade up to #20. The poll indicates wanting to stay at 30.
To me, the players we would have wanted to trade up for are gone, and everyone left is in the same tier, so 30 will get us someone.
Smart move to stay put. If anything they could trade back into 2026. This draft sucks, or at least it appears to.
The best thing about the 2025 NFL Draft is the work that you have put into this mock, and I thank you.
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
So was I. I was higher on Gordon even than McDuffie and while McDuffie is an outstanding player, Gordon has developed into a stud himself. I had Elam as CB7.
I was obviously unhappy with trading up for a first round corner, but I had seen Elam play against a superb Alabama team and he looked like a great player. I really thought that he would be a star on the Bills and have no idea what happened.
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With the 8th selection in Round 1, the Panthers reluctantly select Emeka Egbuka - WR - Ohio State
I believe that Bryce Young is a good quarterback and can improve. I really wanted to get him a Left Tackle but none really stand out imo, except perhaps Campbell and he is gone. In a real scenario, I would have wanted to trade down and grab one of these kids that might have to play guard. In any event, I got Bryce a fine weapon that he can use. Oh well.
The Saints and @Alphadawg7are on the clock.
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20 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Thanks @Virgil!! This was great again. I actually enjoyed walking away hating the Bills draft 🤣🤣.
Yep. Who would recognize a Bills draft without a little disgust?
Well, I take that back. We did have a few good drafts.....in the last 40 years.
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14 minutes ago, Logic said:
It's kind of weird that the Bills have had multiple very good corners where the best parts of those corners' careers came when they weren't Buffalo Bills.
Stephon Gilmore
Nate ClementsAntoine Winfield
All very good. All had their best years after leaving the Bills.
We used to be the NFL's farm team. Letting rookies get their NFL seasoning for four or five years before watching them move on to relevant teams. Thank God those days are over.You are 100% correct. We used to draft first round corners, lose them, and repeat the cycle. Looking back at this, we had little chance of being a winning team.
Let's hope that we really are done with this ridiculous, sad method of doing things.
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When I woke up this mornin'
You were on my mind
And, you were on my mind
I got troubles, whoa-oh
I got worries, whoa-oh
I got wounds to bind
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Panthers if available. If not it's all cool and I echo Logic's post above mine.
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With the 84th selection, The Tampa Bay Bucs happily and proudly select Malachai Moore- Safety - (you read that right lol, Safety) from the University of Alabama Crimson Tide.
I have seen every game he has ever played in and I am sure that he is vastly underrated. Is there any risk? Yes. He is not huge and has been injured a couple of times.
That said, he is always around the football. He has very good hands to intercept passes, is great in coverage, and sneaks in on the blitz. One draft site says that he is weak against the run, and I'm calling b.s. As I said, he gets to the football.
@warrior9and the Broncos are on the clock.
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52 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
This is usually around the time I would create the NFL draft rumors thread. This year I'll just use this thread though.
Here are a few that I consider relevant to the Bills from ESPN insiders:
I don't know how others feel but I cannot remember a draft class that I thought was weaker than this one, and I'm not sure why.
NIL? Transfer Portal? I don't have an answer.
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With selection #53 of the NFL Draft, The Tampa Bay Bucs select Tate Ratledge - Guard - University of Georgia because as the great Marv Levy said, "You can never have too many blockers."
Wait.....never mind. That is not what he said.
The man with a top 10 all time TSW screen name, @EmotionallyUnstable and the Packers are on the clock.
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46 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
To add some color on the 2012 draft, the Bills tried DESPERATELY to trade up to draft Mark Barron. They thought that they had a deal worked out. They were FURIOUS when it fell through and he went off the board. They “settled” on Gilmore and obviously he ended up as a way better player. We often complain about the deals that fell through (ie the trade up with the Jags to get Big Ben) but sometimes you end up lucking out like the Bills did with Gilmore + picks over Mark Barron.
Thank you for this post. It serves to prove my point about the Bills long time obsession with defensive backs, even if other key parts of the team are lacking.
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6 hours ago, FireChans said:
I think what @Bill from NYC has right is that when you look at independent affect on the game of your listed "premium positions," CB is the probably the least.
Put another way, if you could have top 5 at any of those positions, I think CB would be the last pick.
All that being said, for every losing season the Jets had with Sauce Gardner, how many winning seasons did they have with Revis being their only true superstar?
You raise a great point about Revis, who btw I was 100% positive that the Bills would draft in 2007 (not that I wanted them to lol). I had never seen him play and knew nothing about him.
That said, Revis was a great player, a true superstar. He along with Mel Blount were the best corners that I can remember watching, and the Bills could have drafted him at #12. Instead, they drafted a running back (Marshawn Lynch) and the Jets took Revis at #14. The Lynch pick was almost almost certainly ordered by Mr. Wilson, in his quest to "put fannies in the seats."
If the Bills, seemingly as a matter of course, draft a first round corner, so be it. I hope that it works and that he grabs an interception in the Super Bowl and returns it for a touchdown. My point is that it hasn't worked so far.
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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't remember the 2001 draft, before my time. The problem with Whitner and McKelvin wasn't the position they played. It was talent evaluation. Mike Williams was a blocker. He didn't help us win any games either, cos he sucked. Aaron Maybin was a pass rusher, he didn't help us win any games, cos he sucked. You can throw Kaiir Elam into that mix too. The problem wasn't that he wae a corner. It was that he was a bad player.
But the Gilmore pick and the White pick were good. Sure you can question the strategy in 2017 of not taking Mahomes when they had no Quarterback. But they didn't pass on Mahomes to draft Tre White. The two decisions were independent of one another. They passed on Mahomes because McDermott didn't trust himself or the lame duck GM to pick a Quarterback and he wanted his buddy in place to run that process a year later. And while they got lucky to an extent with Josh it was commonly accepted in the run up to the 2017 Draft that the 2018 Quarterback class looked stacked. I remember seeing Charlie Casserley on NFL Network after the 2017 Combine saying "if they were eligible this year three of next year's Quarterbacks would go 1,2,3." But you can't argue he passed on Mahomes because he wanted a corner who he had no idea would still be available 17 picks later. And Tre White DID help us win games. Instantly. Like the moment he stepped into the building. In the season the Bills went 9-7 and broke our 17 year playoff drought rookie Tre White had THREE game sealing turnovers. A fumble forced and recovered vs the Buccaneers on their final drive in a one score game. An interception vs the Chiefs on their final drive in a one score game and an interception vs the Dolphins on their final drive in a one score game. It is not stretching the point to say without him 2017 coulda been a same old Bills 6-10.
Mike Williams was an overweight RT with an ankle injury, and they stupidly took him over Bryant McKinney who was a great LT for many years.
If you think that secondary positions take top priority on a team with no blocking and a poor qb (or even a great one like Josh), there is no point of continuing this discussion, so I will respectfully bow out.
Peace!
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6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I’m always fascinated by your line in the sand on this. As a hypothetical, if by some miracle, Jhadae Barron or Will Johnson fell to 30 would you be okay with it? They are both top 10 talents in this draft and play the 1 starting position that’s definitely available. Would you still be in the “hell no” category or does the value of the player make you comfortable enough?
Thanks for the question, and the manner in which it was asked.
I could start from when our best players (Kelly, Thurman, Bruce, and Andre) all aged at virtually the same time and not enough thought was given to replacing them, No, Levy wanted defensive backs. Remember his quote, "You can't have too many corners?" True I suppose but at that time it was less of a passing league, but I digress.
In 2001, we had pick #14. We had a horrible OL. They passed on Steve Hutchinson and Jeff Backus and drafted Clements who was "good." Even very good, but what "good" did it do us?
In 2006, we drafted the undersized Donte Whitner ast #8. Levy claimed to have spurned several trade offers to trade down. He passed on numerous players who would have greatly helped us. How much help was Whitner? I mean really.
In 2008, our OL still sucked. We passed on several really excellent blockers and drafted Leodis McKelvin at #11.
In 2012, we took Gilmore at #12. We were a weak, cold weather, NFC East Team, in which two of our rivals also played in the cold. How did that work out?
In 2017, McDermott (as you know Beane wasn't there to blame) traded the Mahomes pick (#10) and selected Tre White. If we did not luck into Josh Allen the next year we would be the Browns, or close to it.
In 2022, we actually traded UP and took Kaiir Elem. Disaster.
My thing is that enough is enough. Josh needs weapons and protection. He is carrying this team. @Simonwho IS a defensive back once told me on this board that eventually, any NFL receiver will get open at some point. You can't cover them forever. I don't know, maybe Mel Blount could have.
Imo, the above listed picks tell the story, and there is more. How many games did Sauce Gardner win for the Jets? I will stop here because I am not trying to annoy Simon yet again.
In short, my priorities for the team are receivers, blocking and pass rush. Corners and safeties are imo.....secondary.
Jmo.
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When you say comfort me
To anyone who approaches
Chalking up the hurt we live and you learn
Well, we've both lived long enough to know
That we'd trade it all right nowFor just one minute of real love
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From that list Nolen all day.
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Old and in the way, that's what I heard them say
They used to heed the words he said, but that was yesterday
Gold will turn to gray and youth will fade away
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Let's just draft any corner. Too bad we couldn't trade up for one!!!!
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With Pick #19, The TB Bucs are probably going to upset some TBD Fans, and select Landon Jackson, Edge - Arkansas.
In 2023 I saw him live. He recorded 11 tackles (7 solo) and 3 1/2 sacks. this against Alabama and he hasn't slowed down. I think that the kid will continue to improve and will be a future star.
The Broncos and @warrior9are on the clock.
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Love is what I got, it's within my reach
And the Sublime style's still straight from Long Beach
It all comes back to you, you're bound to get what you deserve
Try and test that, you're bound to get served
Loves what I got, don't start a riot
You'll feel it when the dance gets hot -
I'll take the Bucs if available.
Btw, the deadline is listed as 2024.
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So excuse me forgettin'
But these things I do
You see, I've forgotten
If they're green, or they're blue
Anyway, the thing is
What I really mean
Yours are the sweetest eyes I've ever seen
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