Bill from NYC

Well he deserves a TON of room just for that screen name. I've been here since the nineties and that is as good as it gets. Yep, it's right up there with "Ted Anderson's Lunch Pail," "Tortured Soul," "Sisyphean Bills," "Pass the Pipe," etc.

I think for Marrone, Whaley and Brandon to stay, they will need to go at least 10-6 AND advance in the playoffs.

How many have not sucked?

I don't think that EJ will ever be much of a pure passer if he cannot do the read option. Three knee injuries do not enhance the chances of him being able to do this. That said, watch his college tape. He really could run and he is big. If EJ can keep defenses off balance with his ability to take off ala Kaepernick, he will be a successful quarterback imo. If not, he will bust out but again, jmo.

I think that the above is part of where we differ. I have been an Alabama Crimson Tide Fan for decades. I have seen virtually every game that Koundjio has ever played. He is a good player and a great kid, but he was far from the best blocker in this draft. In 2012, he was the 4th best blocker on his team. Remember, he played with a pre-injury Barrett Jones, Chance Warmack and DJ Fluker. They had already won with Jones at LT. Again, I always liked the kid and will root for him as hard as any fan here, but he isn't a star studded player. At least not yet. As far as the receivers, time will tell if Watkins blows away every other receiver that was drafted after him. I hope that he does!!! That said, he will not if there are issues at QB, and I think that both of us can acknowledge that this possibility certainly does exist. So no, I was not into this trade. So what? What matters is the Bills making the playoffs because they cannot go anywhere without doing so. I don't freaking care if Watkins is "GOOD" and the team is 6-10. If things go right and we can watch playoffs in January instead of posting about who is good, the trade will have been successful.

Forgive me if this response appears to be avoding the question..... This draft was absolutely stacked with wide receivers. The question becomes just how much better is Watkins than all the others? They traded away a 2015 first round pick that could possibly be a low one. It could also be a top 5. What does this mean to me? It means that if we stood pat, we could have conceivably drafted a good OT and WR in the first two rounds, and had a much needed first rounder if Manuel is injured or busts out. If Watkins is great, EJ gets a lot better AND this results in the Bills making the playoffs, then it will have been a good trade. But that's a tall order. Possible, but certainly not a given.

Please don't misquote me, even if paraphrasing. It really isn't polite nor the right thing to do. I think that Spiller is a good situational player who was not worthy of the #9. If you disagree, that is 100% OK. As for McKelvin, he had a very good season last year. It's a shame that it took so long. And I think that Pettine's system which focused on pass rush was great for him. McKelvin can cover. Imo, Levy/Jauron were idiots to draft him at #11 to play him in a Tampa-2. If you disagree, that too is fantastic. Mallet had had what, 8 snaps since he was drafted? Am I close? Neither of us has any idea how good he is. What we (or at leat I) DO know is that he has an arm which is seldom seen. Sure, he can bust out but so can Manuel or any other young quarterback. That said, QBs are what matter in this league. He MIGHT be good, just like EJ. Or, is EJ just fully destined for greatness? If Johnson winds up on NE and Mallett is part of the trade, I will sit back and wait for kudos, similar to those I recently sent out to you.

It makes sense. They have Fitz and a 4th round rookie, right? Plus, Mallett doesn't make much money. It's a good thing to bring quarterbacks to a football team, no?

Ryan Mallett will be involved if there is a deal.

No? Didn't you (not me) once post that you thought the chances of EJ being a franchise qb were well less than 50%? I do NOT want to misquote you. Please notice that the comment was in question form. Will you like this trade if he tanks? Coaches and GMs on the Bills have a horrible track record of getting equal or better jobs when the leave Buffalo. Right? Wade and Pettine did well. A majority of the rest are out of the game entirely. The chances of Marrone and Brandon (the Syracuse connection) getting other jobs at an equal level are slim to none. It's tougher to predict wrt Whaley, but I have a hard time picturing teams beating down his door to hire him as their GM. So yes, it really does appear that this was a move to salvage their shaky careers. If the Bills make the playoffs, I will be happy with this trade. If not, I will view it as a folly. Either way, it strongly appears to be a desperation move for the brass to stay employed, rather than one that was in the long term interest of this franchise. We shall see.

Yet the major reason for the trade was right there in the article: >>>>>The current front office knows the team will be sold soon, and if Buffalo fails to break its playoff drought, everyone who doesn't wear cleats will be fired.<<<<<

If EJ doesn't improve, this prediction is not at all out of the realm of possibility. And this is why I frowned on the trade. NOT because Watkins isn't "good." He could be good or even GREAT but if the Bills lose football games it is a moot point.

Is there any chance that this kid is better than Spiller? I have never seen him play; you tell me.

Thanks for the kind words. The above is where we disagree. They didn't address the QB position. And btw, I am a fan of Thad Lewis in that as we speak, I don't view him as a worse QB than Manuel. He does admittedly appear to have a lower ceiling. That said, Tuel? They really should have taken a shot at another qb after trading away a 1st in 2015. None of us know where this pick will land. It could be #25 or top 5. I have been trying, but I cannot justify not taking a stab at one of them, especially given the fact of how late many of them fell. Jmo my friend.

Go ahead and throw stones, but I give it a tentative C. Again, I am hard pressed to understand how any Bills Fan cannot see that it was based not on building the team as much as it was on Brandon, Whaley and Marrone keeping their jobs with new ownership. That said, if EJ develops it can be an A. If he sucks, this draft can be as low as F.

If EJ can play, things look promising. If not, a strong possibility exists by the time we develop a quarterback, many of our star players might be gone or stars no longer. I would not have traded away our best resources to draft a wide receiver, especially in a draft that was absolutely stacked at that position. So in answer to your specific question, it is certainly possible. All we can do is hope for EJ to become a top shelf NFL QB. If you think that he will, you must be thrilled and I hope that you are right.

This fool (me of course) thought that Aaron Murray would be drafted in round 2. So, as per our bet, here goes... I know nothing about the NFL Draft. If you have any questions, do contact CBiscuit97. It's better than losing money PS: I wish that we would have drafted Murray or McCarron, but read the above.

I am very happy for you and your family. This is great news.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. The Bills need to make the playoffs. Period. Otherwise, we will continue to have discussions as to who is "good," just like we continue to have about Gilmore, Whitner, McKelvin, and of course Spiller. If the Bills don't make the playoffs, their overall mission is a failure imo. There are reasons, obvious reasons why we don't make the playoffs. The #1 reason is of course quarterback. I think that the Bills should have drafted a qb this weekend. But as a poster above said, Brandon, Whaley and Marrone are clinging to the hope of not getting fired by the new owners. The chances of them keeping their jobs are probably not good under any conditions (especially for Brandon), and they really had nothing to lose by going all in on EJ. I don't like it but it's out of our hands. And I don't think that posters above need to be ridiculed for not marching lockstep behind managers who have proven little to nothing.

LOL not true. I am fine with taking a corner this late. I would have rather they drafted a qb, but at least they didn't waste an early first round pick on yet another DB.

Recently, I have been called out on this board for knowing nothing about football. No problem . That said, As a life long Crimson Tide Fan, I have watched virtually every game the Kouandjio has ever played, so I offer a few thoughts. NOT gospel truths......THOUGHTS. 1)In 2012, he did play LT for the Tide on the best OL in the history of college football. I think that Coach Saban put him there because he knew that he would be losing Barrett Jones, Chance Warmack and DJ Fluker. He was their 4th best blocker at the time. Sorry, it's true. 2) He is agile. I don't care about his measurable skills. And he is strong. 3) The kid is very smart. And he is NOT a person who I expect to get in trouble. One never knows but I have heard him talk and he seems like a HUGE character guy. He was born in Africa and in interviews he expresses BIG TIME love for America. 4) I think that he is more suited for RT than LT in the NFL. But the really good news is that he is an experienced LT. He played LT at the very best college program in the country. If Glenn gets hurt, this kid offers us a chance to not fall apart. This is huge my friends. HUGE!!! 5) The bad news is he is rumored to have health issues but who knows? 6) In all, I love the fact that they took him AND got an extra pick in the process. Sorry folks, I didn't like the Watkins deal, but between the SJ trade and this selection, it is far less painful. 7) Lets make the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8) ROLL Tide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 9) GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am still not liking the deal for Watkins, but I must admit that this move makes it a bit easier to tolerate. I would like to see them trade down tonight in a similar manner if they get the right offer.

Trade down and try to get at least 1 2015 pick back.

Dude, instead of stalking me on this board and boring others, why don't you send me a PM telling me what a p.o.s. I am. I promise not to tell the mods. Now, why not revisit the "Redskin" thread and pour out your aching heart yet again? Your emotional outpour was so moving I was almost in tears. Maybe we can get together some day. I'll play a few chords on my acoustic and sing "Emotional Rescue" by the Rolling Stones to you.

And none of them will ever be hired at their current capacity by another team.