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Could be Dave. But he isn't getting younger, and that was a serious pounding he took. It will be interesting to see how he holds up next season, especially if he gets his ass kicked a few more times.

John, Jauron was off the charts bad too. Didn't he once send in the field goal unit to try a 57 yarder in near tornado winds? Truthfully, I think that their defenses are similar. How sad is that?

He is right John. If you disagree with him you are no fan, and shouldn't be watching the games. :)

Dumb question, but do you think that the Bronco game was an omen of Brady on the way down? I ask this because I for one do. Badol, Brady is in what appears to be great shape, but he got his ass handed to him in that game and obviously he is not young. Those hits by the DTs were crushing, and he was limping after the game. If he has 1 or more games like that next year I really doubt if he will finish the season. Jmo.

Kyle, a player I admire, is too short to add that much weight and be able to play NFL football, let alone walk. He is also (imo), WAY too short to play DE. And sadly, KW is not getting any younger. It is an unpopular stance to take here, but I think that there is no place for KW in the Ryan system. Kyle plays well as a penetrating, disruptive DT. If he wants to make the team in 2016, perhaps he can work out with Watkins in the offseason, improving his pass coverage.

This thread quite frankly is bizarre. Our defense had 60% less sacks. Our defensive linemen were dancing around like a boy band. We made so-so quarterbacks look great. We finished 8-8 with a much better offense that even included a quarterback, and people are defending Rex? Believe me, I blame Whaley too. He gave Dareus more than 100 mil to jump up and down and cover receivers, let alone his other mistakes. Now, we brought in another unqualified clown to screw the defense up even more and it really is sad. A strong/competent person in charge just would not allow this circus act, and it WILL backfire. It almost reminds me of the old Levy/Jauron days, when Ralph would hire unqualified people that nobody else wanted. Sad indeed.

Brady got his ass kicked up and down the field. He is going to be in a huge amount of pain for some time. If Rex was watching the game he must have been confused, because the defensive tackles were not covering wide receivers. Big time congrats to Wade, a class act indeed.

1) New downtown domed stadium 2) We earn one wild card spot 3) You will be here attacking Bills Fans

Nobody wants to hear this. Whaley can do no wrong, didn't you hear? The very premise of this thread is pretty tough to take. How about the Bills back into an away wild card slot before we throw a parade of love for Whaley?

Not really. Since 2010, here are some stats: First Round Defensive Backs (both corner and safety) - 36 Top 10 draft picks Defensive Backs - 8 First Round Offensive Linemen ( all 3 positions) First Round Offensive Linemen - 39 Top 10 draft picks Offensive Linemen - 13 The earliest drafted DBs (2) both went at #5 (2010 & 2011) There were 6 Offensive Linemen drafted in the top 5. It is still harder to find top quality blockers than defensive backs imo. I think that Darby goes a long way to prove this. There are just not many 325 humans who run 5 second 40s, are agile, and bench 225 30 or so times. As for Gilmore, I think the debate is really about salary. If it was my money, I would not pay him 13 - 15 million per season. I just wouldn't do it. Btw, I do agree with you that since the rule changes, corners are becoming more important. But without pass rush, even the best corners will give up completions. http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/t http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/g http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/c http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/db

Very good post! I also think that since the rule changes, the RT position grew in importance. The LT will always require a bit more agility because it IS the blind side, but I completely agree that an NFL team cannot afford to put someone there who is strong but cannot move.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/jets John, how much secondary help SHOULD they have given him? Wasn't that quite a bit to devote to the secondary?

I agree. Mr. Pegula would have to pay Rex approx. 21 million over 4 years if he fires him. Is this about right? If so, he did not become a billionaire by giving away this kind of cash. Now in 2015, Rex actually made him money imo. Remember all the blow hard interviews about being a "bully"? Many fans (including me) bought into this hype. PT Brandon must have been loving this. If Rex is a failure in 2016 (sadly, a likely scenario) it might stop making economic sense to keep him employed, whereas he might turn off and even repel a portion of the fanbase. I hope Rex can turn the defense around but it's hard to imagine. He screwed up a very talented unit.

1) Paterno 2) Jimmy Johnson 3) Jauron 4) Rex Hate is the wrong word. #1 & #2 I have issues with as people. #3 & #4 are just flat out awful coaches.

Some (not all) of the Alabama players do go a little wild when they leave school. Coach Saban is more important to the program than any one player. He is not afraid to toss a kid off the team if he screws up. When they get to the NFL there is no more Saban, and they have a few million dollars in their pockets. Again, this certainly doesn't apply to all Bama grads but admittedly, this is something I thought about when Dareus got that new contract.

As Bills Fans, we have been losing for a long time. Kids were born and now getting their drivers licenses since we have made the playoffs. This leads us (imo) to rally around some Bills players/staff (in this case Whaley) who don't completely suck. People still think Whitner wasn't a bust because he was "good." Spiller still has people here who think he can play. EJ MANUEL has fans here who wish he was the starter!!! Our perception IS more jaded than those outside of here, this is true but I will say this.....around these parts, football fans really do know that Ryan is a mess who will take this team down the toilet and like I said, he didn't hire himself.

Here, I am sure we can agree to disagree.

Marrone was a bad hire. He was a Brandon crony from Syracuse. They served on some sort of committee together. St. Doug came to town as unqualified, and his "coaching tree" consisted of rank amateurs. This was obvious from day 1. The Marrone hire was pure cronyism, but folks on this board have denied this for a long time. Few posters seem to be critical of Brandon to this day. Whaley is the latest sacred cow. He seemingly can do no wrong. In fact, the Ryan Brothers seem to have hired themselves.

He sure is!!!!!!! :) https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/alabama-te-o-j-howard-joins-teammates-on-roadto17

KW is listed at 6'1". He is rather squat and getting on in years. I really don't think he would be a good defensive end.

Sorry, I do not agree with this my friend. Not at all. In my quite humble opinion, the only thing on defense (at NFL level) that is more important than actual sacks is pass pressure. Does a team consistently apply pressure on opposing quarterbacks to force mistakes and early throws? If sack numbers are down, so is pressure. All NFL receivers can eventually get open if their qb has all day to throw. This is the reason why the DL is more important than the secondary. Rex promised a "bully." Remember that? What he brought to town is a system in which big, strong freaks of nature such as Dareus and Mario are either running backwards, standing virtually still, or jumping around and dancing, as if a song from the old disco days is playing in the background. Perhaps this should be the happy, friendly theme song of the Ryan Brothers:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1893142/ryan-kelly

That would make more sense than paying him untold millions to be a ballerina. I have watched Dareus play since his first college game. He is an aggressive, penetrating 340 pound lineman. My strategy is to let him do what it was that earned him the big bucks: Stop the run. Disrupt passing plays with sacks and pressure. The way Marcel was used this year was a 100 million dollar failure, and someone should be held accountable. Count me as one who would be a lot happier if they got rid of Rex, Whaley and of course PT Brandon, who ultimately runs this circus.

This is the absolute truth. It disturbs me how little accountability seems to be placed on Whaley as well. Look at just how much money was given to Hughes and Dareus. One is playing undisciplined, the other is being used as a 340 pound dancing bear. The Bills have little cap room because of this, McCoy's new contract, and Clay. Do these seem like wise moves in retrospect? So, what did the Bills do? They gave Whaley an extension and signed another Ryan, a known loser. All we can do is hope that we don't waste our early picks on defensive backs. It really is a sad situation.

The defense was neutralized by Rex, and that word would be a compliment. Quick passing games are not brand new. Rex started the destruction of this defense. His brother will probably help complete the mission. Going from 52 to what was it, 21 sacks is not idling in neutral. It's going in reverse or perhaps falling off a cliff.