dave mcbride

Singletary is actually very good in pass pro. It improves his ypc stats because defenses don’t know what’s up when he’s on the field — which is a good thing.

I think zeke will be far too expensive and I want the money spent on o-line and receivers. But point taken.

Fair enough! (And I did think I was responding to two different posts — my bad!)

I love Cook, but he is small. He is legit 25 pounds less than his brother, and he was protected at georgia despite the obvious talent. The bills need another back, obviously, and my point is why not take the guy who knows the offense and who is above-average in productivity by every nfl measure assuming he’s affordable? You want a list of a the sixth-seventh round RB rookies in the last five years who didn’t pan out? Happy to provide it. This is akin to arguing that we should wait til the 6th round to draft qbs because, you know, tom brady.

What is your solution?

No offense, but Murray sucks now and hasn’t averaged 4.7 ypc since his rookie season, which was over a decade ago. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MurrLa00.htm

Not true. Gore was at 3.6 in 2019 and Singletary was at 4.7.

Be more specific about your plan and try to avoid substanceless snark.

This doesn’t tell me much other than to keep the 4.7 ypc guy vs the 3.7 ypc folks. Singletary is still quite young and can block on third down. What is your alternative, specifically, with regard to the draft and FA (price/draft slot included)?

Meh. This is not an argument. Some players are better than others. What is your approach to the RB position, inclusive of both the draft and free agency? Be specific and with no snark (please).

I hear you, but if Motor ends up being cheap, why not re-sign him and focus the draft on more key positions? Singletary is legit above average by every measure, and we need to get better at passing and blocking. If he comes cheap and Josh is a fan (which he is), keep him.

Cook sucked at blocking last season (turnstile), although he may get better.

No, not at all. You are the one who brought up ST play for a putative starter. It’s not relevant to the conversation. As for Singletary, the numbers are the numbers, and to quote @BADOLBILZ, beyond 4 ypc, RBs make their own yards. He’s been at 4.6 and above his entire career.

I agree about his receiving ability, but he’s actually become a pretty damn good “desperation” blocker (ie, when Saffold or Brown whiffs completely and he has to deal with the consequences). That’s no small thing. Jamaal Williams had 17 tds because he ran it from the 1-2 yard line 15 times. Rushing tds is the most overrated stat of all time.

No one on any team cares whether he can play ST. That is a red herring.

Because he’s above average even when factoring in the offense the Bills run. Is he truly elite? No, but he is better than average and the Bills should be spending their picks/money on receivers and o-line. Plus he knows the offense and Allen trusts him, which are no small things.

Evidence of light boxes vs what the chiefs’ and bengals’ backs run against? Do people watch other teams?

Over hundreds of carries, it all averages out. Trust me. The sample size with Singletary (672 carries) is huge at this point.

You gave no reasons. Compare him with the other elite passing teams.

Gore averaged 3.6 against the same teams and the chiefs’ ypc since 2019 is under 4.7. Come up with a more empirically sound argument. See above.

Not remotely funny (network tv from 20 years ago — really?), but more importantly, please elaborate with actual evidence rather than snark. Nothing says he’s average given the craptastic bills’ o-line and league-wide ypc averages since 2019. Recall that Gore averaged 3.6 ypc in 2019.

This isn’t an argument. Elaborate, please.

The numbers are the numbers. Just sayin.’

Cook has burst and Singletary has legit wiggle. They are not the same. The two are different backs without question. No, they are very, very different backs. Wiggle/vision between the tackles vs burst in space. I regard this as an obvious difference between the two but am willing to listen alternative views.

Singletary has averaged 4.7 ypc for his career (and 4.7 in 2022) and the league average in the years he has played is between 4.3 and 4.4 (trust me, but look it up if you doubt me: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/league-average-yards-per-carry-by-running-backs-2022). Since he has entered the league, he has always been above league average. And lest you think any RB can average these numbers, Frank Gore averaged 3.6 ypc in 2019 for the Bills (a year in which Allen had 510 yards rushing and nearly 5 ypc). Point is, the grass ain’t always greener.