dave mcbride

Not close? The bills were losing 10-7 in the fourth quarter.

Corecting the record here. @MAJBobby, the title of the thread should be changed. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article238436053.html https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article238436053.html

You should retitle this because the news reports are saying that this is all Coughlin, not Marrone. Coughlin is trending on twitter right now actually. This ain’t Marrone. Fake news. It’s Coughlin, which is hardly surprising given his history.

Um, ... the bills did do exactly this on that pitt fumble after the big pass to start the third. Pitt recovered.

Well, he has the highest fumbling rate in the nfl, and by a significant percentage ...

“Miserable” was too strong. Still, that throw has to be lower. As you well know, I am not an Allen hater at all. I love the guy. It’s just that I want him to be on the right side of the Big Ben/Bortles continuum, and more consistent accuracy is the path to it.

The renegade game is how we ended up with Kelly Holcomb as a savior, right?

That “90 percent” line is such a total crock and you know it Joe. Sheesh. Please.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I thought he played OK. Certainly not great, but he did his job late and got it done. The offense was generally bad last night - 260 yards.

I am NOT going to blame Beasley for that miserably high throw. He was wide open, Allen had a clean pocket, and it sailed. Those end up as turnovers literally all of the time in the NFL. Overall, I thought Allen played ok, but the amount of slack he gets here for his inaccuracy is pretty remarkable. I call it the circus-catch bias, in that people who justify such throws point to all of the times such catches are made without accounting for the greater number of times those catches aren’t made. Edelman misses that pass 8 times out of 10 base on my viewing of, oh, 100+ Pats games over the years. I mean, literally, that sort of Int happens all of the time in this league. It was thrown at a very high velocity too.

He absolutely prevented a likely pick on that play. It was literally right to the db, who had great position. I love allen, but man are there a lot of rose colored glasses in this thread when it comes to his play last night.

Disagree strongly. He has had some good games and has unique get-open-ability that has helped Allen numerous times. In the throws to Beasley last night, the problem was mostly Allen rather than Beasley, although he did drop one early on that he should have caught.

On the winning drive, he catches a 40 yard pass despite being interfered with (catching it got the bills another 7+ or so yards compared to him not catching it), broke up what could easily have been an INT on the next play, and recovered Singletary’s fumble just before the TD throw to Croft. He had one drop, yes, but overall he had a great night.

This is all mcdermott, i believe ...

I really think this is mcdermott demanding a conservative approach

That was a bad pass that was too high to a wide open receiver with no pressure. He has to hit that. I also see “drops” like that in pretty much every game every week. Outside of that, Allen is playing ok. Not horrible.

The Bills’ offense was objectively good in 2016.

I love Tua's game, but the injury concerns are a real thing.

He was absolutely terrible in the second half vs. the Eagles.

I took it to read that he thinks that the Bills are more likely to turn the ball over in what promises to be a fairly low scoring game, and not that the Steelers' D is "better." That said, I suppose @Boatdrinks can clarify matters himself.

Sorry to hear that!

I think you may have misinterpreted the post (or perhaps I did). I didn't take him to say that the Pitt D is better, but that they are more opportunistic and tend to have more scoring plays on D. The Bills D is probably more consistent and better disciplined overall, but they don't score (or at least haven't yet).

I really hope you're confidence is warranted!

Excellent post. Seriously.

His high was 24th in QB DVOA, which he reached after the Cowboys game. Not sure what you're referring to - maybe ESPN's QBR? ?? -- measuring, say, a defense by team wins and losses won't tell you much if the offense and ST are terrible. If they were playing in Buffalo, I would be very confident. The fact that they are playing in Pitt, that Pitt is on a big run, and that Pitt's D now has elite-level personnel with the addition of Fitzpatrick makes me worried. I still think the Bills are the better team and should win, but since they've historically struggled quite badly in Pitt, I think it's a toss-up.