Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Well that's true about the Tyrek Hill type WR with speed after the catch and turning a 15 yard completion into a TD. But even if Stevenson shows more ability than many think here think he will myself included and becomes the #4 WR, looking at the Bills WR group as a whole, do you think Stevenson would ever be used in that role or would he be the guy they say "you go long"? I do wonder though too, does the QB factor in that "extra 5 feet" himself and think OK with his speed I'll throw it a little further yet, so it still ends up overthrown?

OK OP's post stated he played in ACC, not AAC. I didn't look him up, but yes agree even more AAC is a step down a bit further from ACC. Houston and Cincy are top programs but after that it drops off, though not sure ACC is much deeper.

Another tendency I think Beane has is to draft on potential, guys with high ceilings. I'm sure all 32 teams would say they do the same, but seems the Bills have gone out on that limb further, sometimes with success, sometimes without. Allen certainly fits that bill, but others too like our favorite whipping boy Edmunds. He was very young and felt he'd have alot of upside, hasn't yet worked out, but seems they like that type of player. Last year they drafted both Groot and Brown, two guys who hadn't played the year prior in college. That's kind of a gutsy move to do that IMO. As far as the ACC trend, couple thoughts on that. Not sure how much scouts rotate, but could mean the scout that covers the ACC does a better job of making the players he's looked at more appealing. That's not necessarily a good thing if true, but human nature is what it is. Also could be that the last 3 years, (upcoming one of the 3) they are drafting low, so the big names more SEC types are gone when the Bills pick so take guys under the radar which could be the way the ACC is viewed. I also think players in the SEC are so much more surrounded with talent that it makes everyone look better. Surprising that the water boy at Alabama isn't drafted. The SEC has the most players in the NFL which isn't surprising, but I couldn't find any stats on what conference has the most players with 5 or more years experience. My thought was the SEC gets them drafted, but do they last in the league?

So let me paraphrase, if everything goes wrong, we're no better than last year! And BTW the 2 new DT's , only one will be starting, other is a back up so don't need anywhere even close to pro bowl level from the backup. Same at DE, only one is starting, so lets not get too over dramatic. Is amazing his top 10 has all 4 AFC West teams in in. Not that I think he's wrong, but do think record wise, they won't all be within the 10 best by year end as they'll be too busy beating each other up all year.

I interpreted that differently. My thoughts were initially he was looking at teams that needed a starting TE. He knew Buffalo seemed to be happy with Knox, so no real interest. Once he figured out he wasn't either getting interest or a contract at a level for a starting TE, he decided to look at teams where he may not be the starter, but a good passing offense, Add in Buffalo did not a 2nd TE and he was able to get a one year prove it type contract, made it a potential good fit.

There are whats called "likely to be earned" and "unlikely to be earned" bonuses and incentives. Likely to be earned count toward the current years cap, unlikely earned ones IF earned count towards the following year. How/where do they draw the line in the sand to decide where each one falls, not sure exactly what goes into that. It's rumored Bill Belichick has the final say on determination league wide!

Not much detail yet, but they worked out a deal https://buffalonews.com/news/local/deal-reached-on-220-billion-new-york-budget-here-are-the-key-items/article_7931e454-b6a9-11ec-89d0-cfaa5717d281.html#tracking-source=home-top-story Thought this was thread worthy on it'sown as opposed to merging with ironclad deal....

But he hasn't done anything, so to label him a potential breakout star is based without any evidence. After the 2020 season if you labeled Davis a breakout star, would have got little argument as he showed potential. It seems team will always favor and keep the newest toy over an older one. Hodgins didn't show much as a rookie, they saw him for a year, so lets see what the new guy can do. If the Bills draft another WR late this year, 5th round or later and they decide to cut him in September and keep Stevenson, to me that would mean something. To me speed is over rated for a couple reasons. How few deep passes are actually completed, there's just too much that can go wrong on a pass thrown 30 to 40 + yards, over thrown, under thrown, pass takes receiver out of bounds, wind, momentum going wrong way, etc. All these things can happen on short passes to, but the impact is higher on longer passes. Read a stat that most QB's average less than 10% long passes to begin with and the ones who throw long the most works out to about 4 to 5 passes a game. About a year ago I compared John Brown's rookie time against Davis rookie time on the 40 yard dash. Basically at 40 yards Brown would be about 5 feet ahead of Davis, but Davis is bigger and makes up some of that with a larger catch radius. When you factor in how many long passes are off the mark, 5 feet doesn't help that much. Yeah speed can kill the defense, but only if it actually is completed which isn't very often. IMO the most important traits for a WR in order are; hands, moves, size, then speed and wouldn't argue with anyone who puts size ahead of moves. For the reasons above speed is nice, but other things matter more to me. Can it happen sure, but think there's a better chance he doesn't even make the roster. Assuming they draft a WR fairly high, that puts 5 guys ahead of Stevenson, he'll have to beat out Kumerow just to be active and I'd give the edge to Kumerow.

OK, saw that thread a few times, saw a name in the post title (currently is set to Logic) now that I think about it yesterday think it was listed MajBobby. I just always assumed this was Logic's mock draft and there was a thread yesterday with MajBobby's mock and so on. Guess I never connected the dots so to speak. This does address the concerns I have with most mocks. Now just need to get the folks at ESN, PFW, SI, etc. to all get together and do the same! Thanks!

Where is "Our Mock Draft" On TBD?? How many people are picking? Or are you referring to the different posts from different people all with their own mock? To me that's just as useless as I'm sure very few have the first 24 picks all going the same. So who knows who'd really be there available at #25?

The issue I have with all these mocks both by posters here and the "professionals" is it's one person, or one computer doing the picking based on their view of the order the picks should go in. Would like to see 32 of these guys get together and start picking. Then let see then if any ones board comes close to the order they are actually picked in. I've seen a few mocks done by maybe 2 or 3 people together, but never more than that. There's a couple of threads about the Bills moving up to some spot to pick someone, again based on one persons mock that the player would even still be available at that spot.

First off what NFL player doesn't have unbelievable college tap? Factor in was against ACC competition doesn't help his cause. What specific evidence do you have to show the coaching staff likes him, other than he's still on the roster. Every year there are rookies who hardly play for whatever reason, bu showed just a little glimpse of hope, and hoping they take the big step the next year. Some do, but many don't. Certainly havine a QB like Allen can make any WR look good. Don't think anyone is ready to write him off, but when you title a thread with "breakout star" on a player who has shown nothing and state we don't need a WR based on this is just laughable. And not at all surprising that you have 7 pages of responses telling you that you're crazy. You could be right, there certainly are players drafted low that become stars, Diggs himself was one of them, but the odds aren't in your favor. All you have is wishful thinking at this point.

Agree, Thought Marrone was also kind of forced on him too?? My take is he wasn't forceful enough to tell RB and the Pegulas, no, if you want Rex, then I'm done. Seemed like he was too easy going of a guy. Kind of had an attitude of OK, guess I'll have to figure out how to make this work, instead of saying no! But hard to say I quit when only 32 of these jobs exist.

Spotrac still doesn't have T Jones listed yet so could be awhile!! LOL Have to say, kind of shocked that Ryan Bates hit this year is only $3.5 mil, about $1 mil over the tender. Bears didn't make it very hard to match.

Yes figured there was discussion in the works. IMO outcome was either he's sign a deal the Bills could live with (which is what happened) or if he was asking for Adams/Hill and higher money, then a good chance they could have traded him. If he was sounding like I need to be paid NOW, then could have seen a trade in next two weeks. If he wanted a mega deal but sounded like he was OK to play out this season, then would have kept him around and either see if by next year the market changes a little and are able to sign him or traded him next off season and draft a WR likely in 1st round this year. Has there been any numbers posted on salary cap affect or contract breakdown for up coming years? All I've read is a decrease in cap this year which is kind of a given.

Were the Texans even around back in 2000?

I don't know, looking at the list the only ones you could argue that maybe should be in front of him is Tomlin and Carroll, but more based on lifetime achievement, not on what they've done lately. Hell Stefanski is ranked #13, putting McD 8 slots ahead looks OK to me.

Tend to agree. I think he's safe this year unless behind the scenes he's already talking about wanting his deal redone now and is looking for Hill/Adams $$. Then could see a trade in next couple of weeks. If he's OK for now, likely play this year on current deal, but again if he's looking for top $4 he could be gone by around now next year. Also will be telling where they draft WR this year to see what they think. If they were to draft the kid from Bama, think the hand writing is one the wall.

This means nothing. What's he going to say, "Well hopefully he'll be able to keep the leg, but the spleen is going to have to come out!" Ever player is always doing great on everything when you listen to coaches speak

Interesting on the offensive line, there are 8 players likely to be on the opening day roster not counting Ford. Typically they keep nine, so assuming they draft at least one, that likely does mean Ford will go the way of the Edsel. Could see them maybe trying to trade Ford, Moss for something maybe picks? Trading those two would free up around $3.5 mil, cutting them about $2.5 mil. Then cut Matakevich would free up another $2.5 mil. That would give them $5 to $6 mil to work with if they were going to try to work out some trade for Bradberry. None D lineman likely to make roster, could see them drafting another or maybe still sign Zimmer to a vet min deal or both. But agree CB is the one area lacking the most. And punter. Don't follow college that much to know many of the names other than Araiza

Here he's working on getting better at his high hurdling. Why do doctors practice medicine? You know what Iverson thinks about practice

Now I don't remember what I originally stated. Now I'm going to have to go back and find my original post. Next time just strikethrough instead. LOL PS I do agree with you!

Sure but wonder if instead they sign Davis and let Diggs go? But agree either way, they need a top WR. Will admit now that signed Bates and Bottenger, drafting a RB maybe in the 2nd doesn't sound as bad as less holes. Especially true if they sign/trade for a CB before the draft.

I'm talking this season, highly doubt the Bills cut him and eat $12 mil salary. Only way he's gone this year would be if traded. Will they re-sign him long term, not sure if they don't then know the Bills weren't as happy with him as they let on. If they draft a LB high, handwriting may be on the wall. I guess I'm one who doesn't think he's as worthless as many feel, but also do agree that he hasn't lived up to 1st round draft status. So will be interesting to see what they decide to do. Best thing would be not to sign him next year, and let him go out and gauge his worth then potentially sign him at lower numbers.

Sure could happen. Diggs was a 5th rounder, Beasley was undrafted as was Thielan. But odds aren't that great when dealing with a 6th round draft pick. Not saying he can't become great, but don't think you want to count on it. 1st team ACC means very little as well the ACC isn't that great a conference to start with. On top of that if you're going to get drafted at all you better be able to make 1st team ACC. Yes he does have speed, could still easily make the team if if they draft a WR high as he could be the 6th WR, guy they turn to for pure speed. Maybe he spent all off season in weight room and has bulked up. They need to draft someone high, not so much for the 2022 season, but more long term. No guarantee Diggs will be here next season if he decides he wants Hill/Adams type money or even close to it. Also injuries to worry about so could use more high quality depth.