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I was born in 84, so I only have very vague memories of when the WCW show on Turner Broadcasting was still using NWA branding.

Did you mean NWO or are you one of those old heads that still referred to WCW as the NWA during the Monday Night Wars? 😆

It's done. But with the unexpected addition of Lewis Cine this morning, we had to cut a WR to do it. Deon Cain released.

It was confirmed, but then refuted. I think it's probably happening, but it's not 100% yet.

Yeah, it's just the same chart from the beginning of Training Camp but with the players who were cut and removed from the Roster page taken out. I think when they were removed from the Website, they just automatically got removed from the Depth Chart.

So only carry 5 LB's so we can have 7 CB's (more like 8 with Cam Lewis being a CB and S) and 12 DB's total?

There goes that.

Another year of people disagreeing with cuts and fearing we can't get them back on the Practice Squad. Another year of getting all those players back on the Practice Squad.

He only had one year where he had more than 30 targets the entire season, in 2022. It was a 690 yard season. Like I said in my OP, I don't think he's Jerry Rice or some great Pro Bowl WR. But he did show something after leaving Philadelphia to still be in the league and produced fairly recently. To just list 4 or 5 year old tweets when he was busting off his first team, painting him as just that, and completely dismissing what he did in Las Vegas - isn't telling the whole story and as such, is disingenuous. If all he did was be the guy from the tweets you cherry picked from close to a half decade ago, he'd be out of the league by now.

I'm not saying the guy is Jerry Rice or anything. But cherry picking tweets from 4-5 years ago and before his years of improvement is extremely disingenuous.

Oh for sure! He's def a solid guy for when Trubisky's down. And maybe OP just meant upgrade over DiNucci or Brown. But I feel like White is/was talked about as a Trubisky replacement and that just isn't happening, whether people like it or not.

He'd be a Practice Squad guy. Trubisky isn't going anywhere on the contract they signed him to. Bad Pre-Season with a closed playbook changes nothing. They knew who he was when they signed him. Edit: Just noticed they did sign him to the PS.

Absolutely worth it. I'd be looking into it and releasing our 6th Defensive End or 4th Middle Linebacker if we could pull it off, if there's no one to PUP or IR.

I think people put way too much stock into Pre-Season games. I barely pay attention to them these days outside of who is unexpectedly running with 1's (like Andreessen) and who they're protecting, especially in the last game. Every year people fall in love with play against 3's in the 3rd and 4th Quarters and freak out that they didn't make it. It really doesn't matter how they perform if they're low man in the pecking order numbers wise. What they're seeing in Practice and how they're picking up the playbook weighs more than what they do in a Pre-Season game. There were a ton of people who wanted to cut Shakir in favor of Isabella last season just because he did more against guys who would be on the street in a week. I just go back to that if they felt Hardy was the stud he's being made out to be - they wouldn't have traded for Codrington. It's silly to look at 10 targets on a late 6th Round Pick against 2's and 3's and act like it's some insane miscarriage of justice that he didn't make it over someone with years of experience in the system.

And I'll admit, I didn't watch every Pre-Season snap or focus on him. They had him on the Outside? That's surprising to me as he was a Nickel Draft Prospect. Seems like it was just a numbers game. Behind Benford, Douglas, and Elam - they preferred Ingram and Lewis over him. Lewis being listed as a Safety, but would definitely be the next CB they call up if there were 1 or 2 injuries as he's played just as much there as Safety. So it came down to KR being the most important thing for that last spot. Especially when none of the WR's or Safeties are guys you'd put back there (maybe Shakir but they probably don't want to expose him to that). Or Codrington, who I know even less about, impressed them more at the CB position as well as KR duties.

They just traded for another Rookie KR/CB in Brandon Codrington. If they liked what they saw out of Hardy, they wouldn't have made that move. For him to come back on the 53, we'd have to keep 7 CB's or cut Ja'Marcus Ingram. Possible, but I don't see it. To me trading for Codrington was a swap out move.

The Current 53 - QB: Josh Allen #17 Mitch Trubisky #11 RB: James Cook #4 Ray Davis #22 Ty Johnson #26 - Reggie Gilliam #41 WR: Keon Coleman #0 Curtis Samuel #1 Khalil Shakir #10 Mack Hollins #13 Marquez Valdes-Scantling #81 TE: Dalton Kincaid #86 Dawson Knox #88 Quintin Morris #85 OL: Dion Dawkins #73 David Edwards #76 Connor McGovern #66 O'Cyrus Torrence #64 Spencer Brown #79 - Sedrick Van Pran-Granger #62 Ryan Van Demark #74 Alec Anderson #70 Tylan Grable #68 DE: Von Miller #40 Greg Rousseau #50 AJ Epenesa #57 Dawuane Smoot #94 Javon Solomon #56 Casey Toohill #95 DT: Ed Oliver #91 Daquan Jones #92 DeWayne Carter #90 Austin Johnson #98 LB: Terrel Bernard #43 Dorian Williams #42 Edefuan Ulofoshio #48 Joe Andreeseen #41 Nicholas Morrow #52 Baylon Spector #54 CB: Rasul Douglas #31 Christian Benford #47 Taron Johnson #7 Kaiir Elam #5 Ja'Marcus Ingram #46 Brandon Codrington S: Cole Bishop #24 Mike Edwards #21 Taylor Rapp #9 Cam Lewis #33 Damar Hamlin #3 ST: Tyler Bass #2 Sam Martin #8 Reid Ferguson #69

Yeah, none of those have been officially announced. And you left off Casey Toohill and Travis Clayton as well. I'm at officially 63 rn with your list plus McKitty, Bills, Couch, Clayton, and Toohill.

Exactly. I get that some fans are depressed that they chose to Draft Coleman and sign Hollins and MVS on the Outside and want more. But I can't wrap my head around being negative towards them and looking at Tim Patrick as a positive.

Ulofoshio is played at OLB. Andreessen was played at MLB. So it won't come down to those two. At OLB, we just have Dorian Williams and Edefuan Ulofoshio. Which is kinda scary. So Ulofoshio isn't going anywhere. What it's ultimately going to come down to, if it's an either or situation, is him vs. Morrow or him vs. Spector, if he isn't going to PUP him and they're only keeping 5. Right now, I think he's probably safe as with Spector injured and Jones released, we only have 5 healthy LB's and that's the minimum we keep.

I don't have a violent bone in my body and deescalate conflicts that could lead to a fight at all times. Practically anyone could kick my ass - if they could catch me.

To the team that has the highest pick that will take me. The higher you go, the more utilized you'll be (so long as you deliver as expected) and the more money you'll make. The decision is completely out of my hands, so why concern myself with anything else? So i'd worry about other things like team success and location with my second contract - where i'd hopefully be able to match expected financials with the best situation.

Has any reporter posted a full list of the players that sat out today, beyond just the starters?

I had him as WR10 leading into the Draft. I took a lot of flack for it. But during the Draft, even I was surprised he fell as far as he did. I had him as a mid-late 2nd Round Pick. When I watched him, what I saw was someone who had a flashy looking highlight reel. But down to down, I saw a guy who's speed didn't come until late in the route. He had a hard time at the line, often against non-NFL level Cornerbacks. Then he came to the Combine and solidified that with the worst 10 yard split of anyone, including Keon Coleman. And then a slower than expected 40. And unimpressive jumps. And the worst route running at a Combine that I've maybe ever seen, specifically in the gauntlet. He tried to argue it was because he was sick... but then he stood by his times at his Pro Day instead of re-testing. That was extremely head scratching to me. If you're saying you tested poorly bc you were sick, why wouldn't you do it over at your Pro Day? It came out later that on top of his film (which again, I thought was over hyped on this board) and poor physical testing - he also bombed the interviews. Reportedly not impressing team officials to a point where they wondered if he even likes playing Football. Even after all that, we brought him back in to have a workout do-over in Buffalo, which is almost unheard of for a Draft Prospect of his caliber. The fact that we weren't interested even at the bottom of Round 3 says to me, nothing changed with that workout. When you take that all into account, it's not surprising to me that he fell to the 4th Round. I wonder how far he would have fell if Denver had not taken him? As I think the fact that they Drafted his QB Bo Nix in Round 1 played a major factor. The fact that they are now thinking of red shirting him after spending a high 4th Round Pick on him (as you don't often see a Rookie above mid Round 5 getting that designation) and even pairing him with the QB he found success with in College?... yick. In my opinion, people really need to stop talking about him as an unforgivable missed opportunity. He simply was never the Draft prospect certain people around here made him out to be Pre-Draft.

That's not going to happen. We don't have the money to take on their contract and don't have the ways to come up with that money. You have to be able to take on their current contract before you can restructure it.