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We've got 5 already at DT that aren't going anywhere. 6 when Ogunjobi comes back. As it is, we may have to make room for him. We spent a Top 10 pick in both Rounds 2 and 4 at DT. Gave a Free Agent a 5.4m guaranteed. We have 1T set between Jones, the passing plays that Sanders will be lined up rushing next to Oliver on, Walker, Carter they'll be playing at both - even Ogunjobi has positional flexibility, starting at Nose in College and for the Bengals. AND Hoecht also plays all over the field and has been slid inside before. What you seem to want is in direct conflict with what Beane wants and preaches. A giant, stays in the gap focusing on stopping the run, classic space eating, Ted Washington like Nose Tackle. That's antiquated in today's passing league. It's not how the team or Beane operates. The question was asked of Beane before and after he Drafted Walker and he emphasized that's not what he's looking for. He's looking for guys who can get upfield. Guys who are versatile and can play all over the line. In Walker, you've got the best of both worlds. A 330+ mammoth that can also get upfield on running plays. In Sanders, you've got someone you can put next to Oliver on obvious passing downs and wreak havoc up the middle. This will keep Jones off the field more than last year and hopefully keep him fresh and playing at his best. Defensive Tackle is set. And the focus is pass rush. There won't be any more "legit" additions there.

Posters blow that out of proportion though. Anyone that the Chiefs Draft, sign, or might sign sends a lot of them into panic. If *any* player becomes available, it's inevitable that you'll see "oh god, please don't go the Chiefs". Even if it is a marginal player. Bc it's always assumed that if the Chiefs sign them, they're going to get the best possible version of that player and more. Now we should be giving thanks that they didn't sign Elijah Moore - even when they weren't in on him? That's a little much for me. I like that we signed Elijah Moore, given our situation at WR. But if the Chiefs signed him? I wouldn't lose any sleep. I just get a litte irked by the constant Chiefs obsession and fear posting. They live rent free in so many Bills fans minds. I can guarantee Chiefs fans don't give a crap what we're doing. If i'm a Chiefs fan seeing all the fear posting (and there's a few on here) - i'd laugh.

And that Dalton Kincaid takes a step forward (or at least plays more like Year 1 than Year 2). And that Curtis Samuel can stay healthy and provide more than he did last season. That's a lot of "if's" that they're seemingly relying on instead of just hoping for. The good news is there's so many "if's" there, it's probably unlikely that none of them happen. Even one would be an improvement over last year. But if none of them happen.... whoo boy. We're in trouble.

See, that's more like it! 😄

Why? They weren't in on him. They have Rashee Rice, Xavier Worthy, Hollywood Brown, Jalen Royals, Skyy Moore, JuJu Smith-Schuster, and Tyquan Thornton. Hanging on every move they make, don't make, and expressing thanks for them not making moves that they weren't ever going to make is taking the fear of them too far.

And i'd say this is paranoia. Adam Schefter reported he's playing for us. Brandon Beane says he's playing for us. He didn't make any calls and no one called to so much as check in on a possible trade. If Beane were truly worried, he'd have been more proactive in Drafting a RB and/or possibly looking to move him. He says people are making it a bigger thing than it really is. He would know more than you and I and his words and actions back that up. And? That's Dalvin, not James. He feels he's already earned it. Doesn't mean he's going to hold out. And even if we were to take this as Dalvin speaking for James, an implication of a hold out coming, or Dalvin influencing James - Dalvin outright threatened a hold out in 2020 (James hasn't done that)... and he still knew it was a bad idea and didn't miss so much as the first practice of Training Camp that year: https://nypost.com/2020/06/08/vikings-rb-dalvin-cook-threatens-holdout-for-contract-extension/ https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-rb-dalvin-cook-minnesota-is-where-i-want-to-be-at

It was announced he was visiting like 20 minutes after the interview, so it was likely already going on when that all went down.

Milano was also re-structured.

There would be no comp picks coming our way next year even if we hadn't signed Moore. The only player we lost that could be compensated was Mack Hollins. That was cancelled out five times over by any one of Bosa, Palmer, Hoecht, Ogunjobi, or White. Teams could sign Amari Cooper, Von Miller, and Rasul Douglas between now and the time the Comp clock is up. We still wouldn't get anything.

Which would be hilarious since the Browns locked him in on the tender to 3.43 😄

Has Keon ever taken a bad injury in Football before? Honestly asking bc I have no idea. He was showing development and getting better as the season progressed. Then that Jordan Poyer hit happened. And that was a nasty hit to take. Understandably knocked him loopy and messed up his wrist. He wasn't listed as having a concussion, just the wrist, but i'd be very surprised if he didn't take a head injury from that shot. When he came back, he didn't look like the same player. Which Beane famously called him out for: It makes me wonder if maybe there was a mental thing going on with getting smashed that hard? I hope that's not the case and i'm reaching here. Could be explained simply by his wrist still bothering him. But it is slighly concerning that he took one of the nastiest hits i've ever seen, was gone for a long time bc of it, and when he returned he played with less "physicality". But maybe that's just Trent Edwards trauma on my part.

Kind of, but it's really not that big of a deal. It just locks in a compensatory value for them and gives him a hard deadline of July 22nd to sign with another team or else play for them. It's essentially them saying "we have a 3.43m offer that we'd sign him to". If he signs elsewhere for less before 7/22, they're compensated at the value of 3.43m. He has another 3 months to decide whether he wants to play for them or play for someone else. And i'd doubt things would drag out another 3 months even if he wasn't given that tag.

What do you mean? We easily have room for everyone. We carried 11 on the DL - 5 DE's (Groot, AJE, Miller, Smoot, and Solomon) and 6 DT's (Oliver, Jones, Johnson, Carter, Phillips, Jefferson) last season. Right now we stand at 10 on the DL - 5 DE's (Groot, Bosa, AJE, Jackson, and Solomon) and 5 DT's (Oliver, Jones, Sanders, Walker, and Carter). When Hoecht and Ogunjobi return, it will be Week 7. There could, and very likely will be, injuries among the team that could make room. There could even be injuries along the DL itself that could make room (and those injuries would make us even more short handed without Hoecht/Ogunjobi and cutting/trading guys before having them). They could even value carrying 11 (like we did last season) or even 12 over depth at another position. Worry about making room then. In the meantime, be as deep and skilled as possible amongst all spots on the line. Especially with how often we rotate. And cover yourself for injuries that could come before they return. Especially when Bosa is historically a walking injury waiting to happen.

I don't think you're going to see anyone Cut or Traded, before Week 7. Even then, it will only come if Landon Jackson is ahead of schedule at DE and/or Deone Walker is ahead of schedule at 1T AND everyone stays healthy through the first 6 weeks. We keep 5-6 DE's (last year we ended at 5) and 5-6 DT's (last year we ended at 6). Right now for Week 1 - we have 5 of each. And I'd pretty much lock all of them in for now. As we're pretty much at the minimum we carry for each, so there's no need to cut anyone. DE: Greg Rousseau Joey Bosa AJ Epenesa Landon Jackson Javon Solomon DT: Ed Oliver Daquan Jones TJ Sanders Deone Walker DeWayne Carter Improving the D-Line meant improving the rotation. We rotate guys along the line heavily in our scheme. So having a strong 4 at each helps that. Having someone in there along the line at all times that is strong means the Line stays strong and fresh at all times. If you trade Epenesa before Hoecht returns, then you're relying on Jackson to essentially start, as Bosa isn't taking more than 50% of snaps (likely less). That's a lot to ask of a 3rd Round Rookie that hasn't played a down in the NFL yet. And God forbid there's an injury, you're in an even worse place. And moving on from Jones would have us starting a 4th Round Rookie, that again hasn't played a down of NFL Football and has a lot of concerns. Rotating in for him would be DeWayne Carter... yick. And an injury there? I don't even know what we'd do. The good news with Jones is he won't be taking as many reps this year with Sanders occasionally sliding over to rush alongside Oliver and Walker coming in for him often as well. Long story short - I wouldn't expect anyone to be moved before Hoecht and Ogunjobi return. A lot can happen in 6 weeks. You don't want to move on from someone and then there's injuries that would have cleared room for them anyways and will leave us short handed. And there can always be injuries at other positions that will make room for them as well come Week 7. Keep everyone and have the strongest Line we can before and after Week 6. Worry about moving someone if and when the time for it is necessary. Before Week 1 would leave us short handed, relying too strongly on Rookies, and having a weaker rotation.

If anyone would, it would be me. One of my biggest weaknesses on the scouting report is being able to tell when people are sh1tposting 😄

Meant to include this with the first post, but I forgot... While I agree that we should have one of those and make a move for one of those at some point, if his words over the past two days on WGR and especially on McAfee today are any indication - I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening anytime soon.

No, it's really not. Especially with the Defensive Line. Now instead of Carter coming in when Ed comes off the field, we'll have Sanders. Two strong 3T's at all times. Sanders also has positional flexibility and there will be times in Pass Rush packages where we'll put Sanders next to Oliver. We rotate heavily along the Line, so Sanders is going to get a ton of work even with Oliver there. We didn't Draft him to replace Ed this season. Maybe next season (at the absolute earliest), depending on how he performs. But it's crazy to think of doing it now, even if Ed didn't have such an expensive Dead Cap hit. We have no idea what Sanders will look like in his Rookie season and Ogunjobi is on Suspension until Week 7. Improving the rotation to a point where we have strong DE's and DT's rotating in and out at all times is the improvement for this year. And with how often we're switching guys in and out, all of them will see usage and stay fresh.

This isn't even a question. Ed Oliver isn't going anywhere this season. He carries a 32 million dollar Dead Cap hit. I'm kind of baffled with why so many posters are looking at the improvements we made on the Line and rather than thinking we've improved the rotation - are like "cool now we can trade some people away". It isn't an improvement in depth of rotation if we're just moving one person out for another.

Elgersma was just selected 18th Overall in the CFL Draft. So if neither of the workouts with us or the Packers gets him a UDFA Signing to come to Camp (as it appears he hasn't been signed and is just a Rookie Mini-Camp tryout) - he's got a fall back option.

I'm sure he knows what he's looking for and knew before the visit. He said on OneBillsLive that they've been talking back and forth pretty much all offseason. I'm sure there's some disparity or else it would just be done. But I doubt he's wanting "big money" or else Beane would have stopped talking to him a long time ago and probably wouldn't have done the visit. He may be looking for more money than the Bills think he's worth. Right now, it seems the Browns have set the price at 3.43m. He may be hoping he can get more than that. But I doubt he will. Ultimately, unless someone else jumps in the fray, it's just a matter of whether we want to match that or whether Moore will take less with incentives to play with us. If neither happens, he'll probably end up back with the Browns. Just a waiting game. Also possible that while we're waiting, it's just announced we've signed someone else and we were using Moore's visit as leverage. Like what happened when we had James Bradberry in for a visit and then we signed Tre White.

Taylor Elgersma is interesting. He's a Canadian QB from a Canadian College. Bc of that, he's one of the top Prospects in the CFL Draft that's happening right now and will probably be Drafted pretty soon.

That would be nice. But not very likely. He has guys like Rousseau and Bosa above him. He'll be sharing reps with Epenesa and Hoecht when he returns. He's unlikely to be getting the kind of reps where he hits those kind of numbers. Rousseau has yet to put up those kind of numbers as a Starter. And Jackson isn't going to be starting in his Rookie year. But I'd be here for him putting up numbers like that, obviously.

I hope this exchange and the national coverage of it doesn't make Beane change any plans he had going forward. Like he clearly set up the visit with Moore before the interview. I would hope that him taking an angry stance of "we don't need a WR" that has gone viral doesn't make him less likely to sign him or anyone else. I don't think anything keeps Beane from doing what he thinks is the right move for the team. But you never know. Ego and the risk of looking like they were wrong or hypocritical can be a helluva thing to public people in power.

While I don't disagree, we do need a 5th WR. Would you rather just have a competition between Shavers, Shenault, and Prather to decide that?