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I just don't think there was a starting caliber LB that was available. If there were, the asking price was too high, as there wasn't a single LB moved league wide.

I'd be surprised if he makes it to market. From the sounds of it, the Bears made him the best offer. But he and his agent wanted to see if he could get paid better by a better team. So they were able to "seek a trade" to gauge interest. They then asked for more money than the Bears offered. And if Greg Gabriel's tweet was to be believed "no one was going to pay him what he was asking". So he'll probably just take the Bears offer and extend now.

As I said in another post, the returns offered must not have been much more than a bag of balls. And at that point, it's better to just hold on to him and hope he's a late bloomer. Some players come in the league and have it right off the bat. Some players just never work out. And some players it takes years before the light goes on. Rasul Douglas was a former 3rd Round Pick of the Eagles who didn't work out. He then floated around the league a bunch. Took advantage of an opportunity on the Packers Practice Squad and then became a very solid starting ballhawk CB. Geno Smith was a bust through and through. Spent some years floating around the league and now he looks like a completely different player. Even AJ Epenesa. He was a complete afterthought. A total bust. And over the past year, the light has come on and he's playing his best ball. Long story short, if the returns being offered equate to us essentially giving him away - it's better to take the chance that maybe he'll figure it out for us. Rather than how it would look to spend a 1st on him, give him away for nothing, and watch him develop for someone else.

I was actually wrong. There were a total of SIX moves made today. In the entire league. We should count ourselves lucky that we were one of them and brought in a starter. Please tell me again how easy it is to make an impactful trade in this league at the deadline. I repeat, not a single LB was moved by any team. Anywhere, period. If one were available and was worth the price tag, we'd have done it.

My guess is the returns being offered were so low - you might as well hold on to him and hope he's a late bloomer. The CB we just acquired was a 3rd Round Pick who was considered a bust. Floated around the league a bunch. Ended up in Green Bay and then flourished. Sometimes it takes a long time for the light to go on for a player. Look at AJ Epenesa. He was completely written off and over the past year and a half he looks like a different player. If the offers were in the Round 5-7 range, might as well hold on to him. If we gave the guy away and then he develops elsewhere, it would look real foolish.

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No LB'ers were moved. Only 1 DT. There were a total of 6 moves made today league wide. Wanting trades to happen is all fine and good. But it takes someone wanting to trade them and the compensation to be right for it to happen. It's not the NHL or the NBA.

I also like that Tom Grossi says he is a vocal leader. We love those types here.

The price wasn't a 1st. It's 2 1st's PLUS a stud player.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! ... wait, are you serious?

I dig the compensation. Especially since we had an extra 3rd in compensation for Edmunds.

4 picks last season, 5 picks the year before. Started 12 games last season and all games this season. Definitely could do a lot worse. Just said on NFL Network that it looks like Jaylon Johnson isn't going to be moved. Glad to see Beane pivot and still address the CB position.

... how? Have you looked at that contract? Please enlighten me. That thing is so gawdy, there is no amount of restructuring that could be done to feasibly fit it in our situation for this year or next. Right now we have 5.2 million to our name minus the PS contract for Fournette. And them eating most of it for us and giving him to us? I don't want to know what the compensation would be for that.

The only one that truly qualifies is DeAndre Hopkins. He costs a little over a million for the rest of this season without any guarantees after. However with the Titans owner veto'ing a Trade of Henry to the Ravens today, I don't know that they're open for business.

I mean, he can get as pissed as he wants. We simply can't afford his contract. And the Raiders can't even afford to cut him. The closest thing he has to an out is in 2025 and even that involves eating ~16 million in Dead Cap. That contract is simply untenable. Maybe there's someone who can afford to take it on. But it isn't us any way you slice it. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/davante-adams-14463/

Zack Moss isn't as bad as he looked while he was here. But he's not as good as he looks in Indianapolis. He went from a pass heavy offense with bad run blocking to a run heavy offense with good run blocking. I'd doubt he'll field much. Teams don't pay much of anything for RB's to begin with and they know that Indianapolis is built for the run and that's skewing his stats. Last week (maybe out of necessity more than their actually wanting to), we switched from 12 personnel to our more natural 11. In doing so and with Knox's injury, it pushed us to utilize Kincaid more than we had. And he performed GREAT. And with teams focusing on Diggs and Kincaid, Davis became open. As did Shakir. And they played great. Though I wouldn't be opposed to more firepower - if last week was any indication, I don't know that it's as dire as you are making it out to be anymore. The switch to 11 and the taking the training wheels off of Kincaid may be just what we were lacking. And with Kincaid performing as he had, I'd rather the amount of usage he got last week become the norm and not have him revert back to the minimal usage he got before last week. Which may happen with the addition of another big piece.

Look to improve elsewhere then. We need help at DT, LB, and CB for sure. We could use another Offensive weapon. We'd be taking reps away from Von Miller, Leonard Floyd, Gregg Rousseau, and/or AJ Epenesa to fit him in. None of them are performing in a way that would make me say "they should be taking less reps". We'd have to cut Kingsley Jonathan or Shaq Lawson. We'd be giving up Draft picks we need for all the work in the Offseason. We currently have SIX Edge's and are way more deep there already than most, if not all, of the league and it's our deepest position. We have no need for another Edge. Period. And with the way Chase Young has been performing as of late, he's just a name anyways. I'm not so sure he'd perform any better in this Defense than Kingsley Jonathan is. Beane isn't going to make a move just to give fans a shiny toy on Deadline day. There has to be a need for it and there is no need here.

It could be true he's not ready to give up on him. Or it could be posturing. Supposedly teams have made overtures to Beane for Elam. Maybe the offers have just been basically a bag of balls and he's putting it out there that he's not going to move him, hoping someone ups their offer. If I'm Beane, I want a 3rd. But I'd settle for a 4th. Maybe, a high 5th. Maybe. But anything less than that and I think I'd rather just hold on to him in the event that he could be a late bloomer.

She just says we're making calls. Not that we're looking for a Pass Rusher, as the tweet implies. She said the 49ers are specifically looking for CB's and Pass Rushers and then mentioned we have called around after that, without mentioning for what. Greenlight Twitter is misquoting her there.

Does he slide inside though or are you just projecting? I'm not finding much info on him doing anything but rushing from the Edge. And even if he can, that's not his natural position. Who's to say it would be a mismatch besides how it looks on paper? The guy hasn't been performing at a high level even at his natural position. We need definitive Inside help. Go get a Tackle in Trade. Or give Suh a look. Giving up a Day 2 pick for another End when we're already stacked there doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially with all the help we need elsewhere.

It isn't as hyperbolic as it seems. As I said above:

We don't need another End. It's probably the deepest position we have on the team. Miller's reps are ramping up as he's getting healthier and starting to get pressures. Leonard Floyd is exceeding expectations. Greg Rousseau is on the other side. AJ Epenesa is easily playing his best ball. That's 4 starting quality ends. Most teams are lucky to have two. And why would we take reps away from any of those players with how they're performing?

Cap isn't a problem. He's on a Rookie contract. Which is part of what makes the price tag so steep. We're talking about a 23 year old, former top 10 pick, with a clean bill of health, only 2 and a half years of tread taken off the tires, on an inexpensive Rookie contract, that has 2 years remaining after this one, and was a 1st Team All Pro just last season at the premium CB position. That pretty much checks off all of the boxes on what makes someone have as steep of a price tag as you can get. Two 1st's and a Pro Bowl Calibur player in return doesn't shock me and is why I laugh anytime a Bills fan invokes his name.