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Here we go again with this. There was a MASSIVE thread about it when this news dropped months ago.

When I mentioned he'd stay in that range, I was talking about the week in which you pointed out that the other games hadn't played out yet. To that point, he was in the range of top WR2's. My point in discussing Davis is that when it came to WR2's around the league, to that point, he was producing at as high or higher of a level than most of the league. I thought about mentioning Davis as one of the roleplayers going forward but over the past couple weeks, the offense has run almost exclusively through Diggs, Kincaid, and Shakir. And quite frankly, pointing out ANY positives about Davis around here is grounds for hostility and insult slinging. Now me not mentioning him is grounds for it too, I guess. You wanted a different high end 2nd option? One has presented itself in the performance and rapid growth of Kincaid. You wanted to go away from Davis? We have. Davis is a total non factor now. But it's still not enough. We're still harping on an upgrade from Davis - who is at most Option 3, more like Option 4 given the usage of Shakir. And that's where I mentioned the goal post moving. We now need an upgrade at option 3 or option 4, even though the discussion was consistently about needing a 2nd option - which we have now. The core of pass catchers is not the problem. The problem is the lack of run blocking, the lack of pass blocking, and the playcalling. It's not the weapons.

Jackson played with his hair on fire last night. Probably the best game I've seen him play. I think it was an anomaly, but still, a really odd time to have this take.

Absolutely. The goal posts keep being moved by posters. Pre-Draft it was that we needed a solid #2 option. We Draft Kincaid, a WR who's only technically a TE. Then it was "well, we can't rely on a Rookie". Over the past 2 weeks, Kincaid has emerged as that #2 option and has been playing very solid. Now it's "not addressing WR is a fail"? So you're saying we have an Elite QB, but he has to have not 2, but 3 stud level options? 2 isn't good enough now? Most teams would kill for a Diggs/Kincaid 1-2 punch with a solid roleplayer, as Shakir has been out of the slot the past couple weeks. Mahomes has Kelce and....? Kelce and Roleplayers is what he has. We have the talent. It's Dorsey and the OL (can't run block, can't pass block) that is failing this offense.

No one's taking on Knox's contract for the mediocre play and give us a Draft pick for it. Even if we eat a bunch of the salary, the return that we would get would be less than a 4th. And in that case, we might as well keep him as TE2 and be rid of him after 1 more year. I think with the way Knox has performed the past couple seasons, most teams would rather spend a Mid Round Pick to get a guy who has the potential to be better than him and have him under a cheaper Rookie deal for 4 years. Both of them have an out after 2024. Before then, you're paying big money to not have them on the roster. Might as well keep them for 1 more season and have them be situational or backups and then be rid of them after that. Miller has a 32.5 Million Dead Cap hit to release him after this season. He's also 1 of only 2 DE's we have under contract and 1 of 3 D-Lineman period who are under contract. So why would we take that down to 1 DE and 2 DL total and pay money to do so? Even if you think he's washed, you keep him as a situational guy like Bruce later in his career. Getting rid of them just for the sake of getting rid of them and putting us in a deeper hole to do so makes no sense. Ride it out for 1 more year and if neither are performing well, just don't feature them. In Knox's case, put him behind Kincaid. In Miller's case, if he never returns to form, put him behind Rousseau and (hopefully if we can re-sign him) Floyd. Agreed. The only way Tre is back is if we release him and he comes back under a new contract. There isn't a restructure that can be done to his current deal that would make the gamble that he is at this point worth not freeing yourself of that deal.

Tre has an out after this season. Given our cap situation and him coming off of an Achilles following coming off of an ACL, he's as good as gone. Maybe they tear up the contract and bring him back under a cheaper incentive laden deal. But that contract will be terminated. As for Miller and Knox, they don't have an out until after next season. It doesn't make sense to pay more money to release them than to keep them for one more year. In Miller's case, he's one of only 2 DE's we have under contract following this season. Hell, we only have 3 DL total under contract for 2024 and beyond. So he's not going anywhere. And at least with him, there's a case to be made that he's still recovering. It hasn't been a full year since his ACL injury. He's also been making small improvements week to week. He has been getting some pressures and was in position to make the tackle last night. Something we weren't seeing when he was first activated. We'll need to bring in a number of D-Lineman after this season just to fill the roster. Makes no sense to create an even bigger hole there and pay extra money to do so. If he truly is washed, you just make him situational going forward. Knox just is what it is. I think it's obvious that when he does return, he's going to be behind Kincaid in 11 personnel (or at least I hope we stay in 11 and don't go back to 12). He'll back him up 1 more season and then we can get out from under the deal. But yeah, long story short - Tre will (or should) be gone. Miller and Knox will be here for one more year. It doesn't make sense to get rid of them when it hurts the cap more to do so.

Pretty much. One season of missing the playoffs after everything he's done and just getting an extension won't be enough. They'll get a new OC and Dorsey will take the fall. Maybe there will be pressure on McDermott to let that OC have total control over the Offense. But it will take a TOTAL collapse, him completely losing the team, including Josh Allen, before McDermott goes anywhere. And that won't happen this season.

Doubtful. They just gave him an extension. Beane and McDermott are tight. They'll blame injuries and Dorsey for the poor season. Maybe Dorsey goes, but McDermott going is just wishful thinking from some fans. Beane won't fire him after one bad season following an extension and Pegula isn't going to step in and make that call for Beane.

As soon as I saw him miss the tackle, I knew the board was going to lose their crap. He is getting closer. He wouldn't have even been in position to make the play before. He is getting better pressure. Like others have said, he's not even a year removed from a Torn ACL. And I have seen small improvements week to week. Should he have made the tackle? Yes. But it's more disheartening to me that he was the only one in the area to do so. Feels like in this Defense, if one guy is there and doesn't make the tackle, it's going to be a first down. Yet when we're on Offense, there's multiple defenders around our ball carriers at all times. We're losing in the trenches week to week and it's costing us these games.

Not only that, the LB threw a perfectly placed hard punch on the ball while he was being flipped. I'd bet most players would have coughed it up. Just an unfortunate position to be in and perfectly defended.

Maybe Dorsey. McDermott signed an extension this Offseason. If you think Beane is going to let him go or Pegula is going to step in to do so, you're kidding yourself.

Dodson waiting in the endzone to tackle Mixon. Real great stuff there 🙄

Williams looked great in the Pre-Season. But in the Regular Season, he's been often lost on the field. Pulled in favor of Dodson for making too many mistakes. In a vacuum, he needs reps to learn and get better. But those learning reps have too often been coming at the expense of points right now. It seems they prefer Dodson missing some tackles in position over Williams being more often out of position.

I joined in 2003 when Message Boards were the only way to discuss the team on the Internet. And I guess old habits just die hard 😆

I'm sure we at least had a discussion on Leonard Williams. Beane and Schoen are tight and Williams went for a lot for a guy who only has this season left on his contract. Imagine that was because there was competition for his services. Whether or not that was us and what we were offering if anything, who knows. But I guarantee you Schoen and Beane at least talked about it.

There's still the terminology and the calls. From the way he speaks of it and how players have, the feeling is that McDermott's Defense IS complex. I'm not saying I'd be opposed to him playing, if they want to put him out there. But on 2 practices and 4 days with the Playbook, if they determine he should sit this week, it a.) Would not surprise me and b.) Not be without good reason. Even if it's unpopular.

Could do more harm than good if he's out of position because he doesn't know the calls. We don't do a lot of man to man. He's got to get down who's covering what zones on each playcall. Don't want to make his first impression be blowing zone coverage or running into people.

I don't know that he does. Beane said he probably wouldn't. Two practices and 4-5 days with the playbook isn't a lot of time to get the calls and terminology down. If he does, it would probably be just a small package of plays.

Sadly, given the uncertainty of his health, the cap situation we're in, and the contract he's on - he will probably have extra motivation in being released. There is an out in his contract after this season that would save a lot of cap space in '24 and '25 by invoking. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tredavious-white-21768/

Chase Young has Jadeveon Clowney vibes. All the talent and physical traits in the world. But is lacking in effort and/or competitive fire to truly play up to his potential consistently.

Before watching them this week, I'd tend to agree. However, it looks like they're healthy and back on track. I'm all for positivity and the doom and gloom is a little much. But I don't think fans are overhyping them. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle of what you posted and the doom and gloom. If we pull this off, it's going to be a battle.

Gotta imagine someone told Muki to take that down and then the mods just deleted the post because the tweet no longer existed.

Hopefully he at least gets a Limited in tomorrow and another Limited or Full on Friday. Something to keep an eye on. He's a warrior and I doubt they'll shut him down unless they absolutely have to. But another DNP tomorrow would be concerning.

Hilarious looking practice designation 😆

Brian Daboll must feel he's a good set of extra eyes to have in the QB room from his time here.