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I think more than anything, history shows that there haven't been top prospects that have those measurements. Going back a number of years, those that have had those measurements did not perform at the level of McDuffie in College. Their skill was not at his level. Therefore, them underperforming in the Pros was not surprising. The closest I could find that was a top prospect was Damon Arnette at an even 30, as opposed to McDuffie's 29.75. He was still taken 19th overall. Unfortunately, between injuries and his own idiocy, we never got to see if he could overcome this supposed sure fire death blow to his potential everyone is making arm length out to be.

Here we go again... McDuffie is a player who didn't allow a single TD in his final two seasons of College Football. Where he surely lined up against many 6 foot plus WR's who play or will play in the NFL. Yes, he has sub 30" arms. But it's a quarter inch under 30. Also, you have to keep in mind he has a 38.5" vertical leap at his Pro day. This would have put him in 5th among all CB's at the Combine. This ability makes up for outstretched arm length on contested balls when leaving his feet. He is still considered a top prospect at the position despite less than ideal measurables for his technique, football IQ, and his play. There have been players at other positions who have succeeded because of their proficiency in other aspects while having weaknesses in others. I remember all the talk of Ed Oliver's lack of ideal measurements heading into the Draft. But his proficiency on field outweighed that. The same could be the case with McDuffie. There was a time when a QB under 6 foot couldn't succeed in this league. It's why Russell Wilson wasn't drafted until Round 3. Now the league is drafting Kyler Murray 1st overall. Sometimes there are outliers to the rule. Looking back through the years, I can't really find many, if any, instances of a top Draft Prospect at Cornerback with his measurements. But that doesn't discount everything he's done to this point or completely dismiss that he can be an outlier to the rule. Ultimately, we'll find out this weekend if this is as big of a concern to teams is it is to some of you on this board. I weigh what is seen watching a player play much more than measurements. If Beane selects him, both he and McDuffie have my total faith.

You aren't getting Darren Waller for the 57th pick in the Draft. The Tight End market has gotten out of hand and Waller will command the highest contract, sooner rather than later, I'm sure. We have Knox and just gave 3.2 million guaranteed to O.J. Howard. Neither are going anywhere this season. I can't help but laugh when we address a position and then something shinier comes along and people just want to pretend like the move never happened and disregard it. Teams don't hand millions guaranteed to a player and then replace them weeks later before they've even hit on the field. And we're not going to have 3 TE's active on Game Day or pay millions to someone who won't be active. Hell, we didn't even carry 3 TE's on the 53 man roster last season.

Not odd at all. No one wanted to give up a pick and take on the contract we had him on. And so far, no one has wanted to sign him even without having to give up a pick. He's still on the roster.

I don't know how you can take a guy spending days essentially trying out for the media on NFL Network after talking about retirement and openly discussing having not returned when asked by Josh because of the condition of his knees as "out of context", but... okay, I guess? Jake Kumerow is someone who etched out an important role on Special Teams, an aspect Sanders does not provide. This is the main reason he was re-signed this offseason. WR's on the bottom of the depth chart are more often than not there for that reason. While Kumerow and McKenzie were re-signed (and Jamison Crowder was added), Sanders was not. We will be adding WR's in the Draft. There will not be a spot for Sanders. This idea that we're keeping a spot open on the roster for a guy who's going back and forth on whether to retire isn't likely. Not sure how you got here on a football post or what you're trying to get across by this - but I really don't think I have anything more to say to you.

Yeah, no. I made a post a couple above this outlining why Hughes really makes no sense outside of the viewpoint of a fans liking the guy. And you don't sign someone for just that reason alone. And as far as Sanders goes, he said this on "Good Morning Football": Beane and McDermott are looking for speed in the WR core. Sanders vacant roster spot in the WR room will be drafted.

Cole Beasley wanted out of Buffalo and New York State. He's NOT coming back. https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2022/03/did-bills-hope-to-keep-cole-beasley-gm-talks-releasing-beasley-star-lotulelei.html Jerry Hughes is a romantic idea, but not a very likely one. He'd be returning for literal pennies on the dollar to be a reserve player and taking a back seat to Von Miller, after spending about a decade as a Defensive captain and the unquestioned leader of the DE room. Von Miller entering is a changing of the guard there. I don't think the team and maybe even Von himself would want the presence of Hughes looming over Von while he acclimates himself as the new leader of that room. It would be like being hired as a manger somewhere and the person who held that role for a decade stayed on as an associate under you. And at the end of the day, I think Hughes has declined massively. Edge Rusher is one of the premier positions in Football that people kill for. The fact he hasn't gotten a sniff at a significant role on another team by this point speaks volumes. All in all, the move makes no sense from Hughes' or the Bills position, once you take fan emotion out of it. And fans really liking someone as a person and liking the idea of him being in the building when we win a Super Bowl is not a logical reason to sign someone.

The thing with Aaron Maybin is that he was always looked at as a "boom or bust" prospect when we took him with the 11th pick. He was a one year wonder and only played two years of College. Mike Williams was considered a "can't miss" prospect with All Pro potential and we took him 4th overall. Maybin's running away with it and to me, it's obviously Mike Williams and it's not even close.

I think you're reading too much into my wording of "for whatever reason". It wasn't as deep as you're implying. Simply stating he got it done two weeks later for reasons unknown to me. Reasons that could be what you pointed out. But my point was, that it's an added two weeks to his recovery time. Meaning if Doctors don't recommend someone returning to full contact participation before 9 months, that would mean the difference between being able to return to on field work just before the start of the season and a couple weeks into the season. As for the Achilles v. ACL discussion - I never implied that it meant Ike Boettger would be 100% what he was. Simply that there have been advances in Achilles rehabilitation that have proven large dividends recently. Cam Akers returned from injury in 5 months this past season. Also and more importantly, the chances of re-tearing an Achilles are less than re-injuring an ACL, especially a rushed ACL recovery. Which is why I think Ike's recovery time will be less than Tre's. Especially when you consider Tre's importance to the team versus Ike's. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3981436/ https://mobilityfit.com/why-we-suggest-return-to-sport-9-months-after-acl-repair-versus-6-months/ My ultimate take is this - one can HOPE for the best possible outcome. But to expect it and bank on it by not ensuring the position is foolish. Especially to take the stance that he's definitely going to be practicing in Training Camp and be returning by the start of the season.

Ed Oliver didn't have the ideal measurables for Beane and McDermott either. But they took him anyways. Because talent sometimes trump's measurements. McDuffie didn't allow a TD in his last two seasons at Washington, where he surely lined up against 6 foot tall capable D1 WR's. He also had a 38.5" vertical jump at his Pro Day, which would have ranked near the top at the Combine. This makes up for some of his arm length. Yes, I would Draft McDuffie at 25 in a heartbeat. I would also feel comfortable taking Gordon or Elam there as well. Although I will admit that if the choice is Elam or Gordon and there's someone at another position that is sticking out like a sore thumb, they should probably take them over an Elam or Gordon. Tre White is on a 9-12 month recovery plan from his surgery he had done on 12/14. I don't see them rushing his recovery and risking re-injury by pushing him back sooner than 9 months out. And there's no saying that when he does hit the field, he's going to be 100% of what he was right off the bat, or will take 100% of the snaps immediately. And I agree, a move up from the Round 2 is not out of the question. That's why I mentioned it. And in my opinion, if they do decide to go elsewhere in Round 1 without Booth, McDuffie, or Hill on the board - we must move up from 57 to ensure we get a safer bet than what we'd find in Round 3 or risking that one of the Top 9 CB's will still be on the board at 57.

25, yes. Even if we have to settle on a Kyler Gordon, Kaiir Elam, or Daxton Hill (if Beane is okay with a Safety/Nickel CB projecting to Outside CB in the Pros). Rounds 2 and 3? I don't think so unless we move up from 57. Gordon, Elam, Hill, McCreary, and Woolen are all gone by then in most Mock simulations I've done. Could someone overachieve? Of course. But I'm not throwing Martin Emerson or Cam Taylor-Britt out there to start, alongside one of these leftovers in FA, and Dane Jackson and feeling good about it.

I'd say it's closer to "some" than "most". And I don't think I've ever seen one from a major publication that has him taken at 25 or higher. He may sneak into Round 1 if there's a run on WR's and someone really likes him. But he's at best the 6th ranked WR on the vast majority of Draft boards. And even then, it's a matter of preference between him, Jahan Dotson, and George Pickens, with many putting one or both of them above him.

The same goes for Corner's and I honestly believe the drop off in who you can get at Corner between Round 1 or Round 2 is worse than WR. My hope is that Alec Pierce is available at 57.

Underperformed expectations following how he looked in spot work during his Rookie season. People thought he was a lock to take over at CB2. He was unable to win the competition and didn't look as good as he did in Year 1 when called upon in Year 2.

The article states "White was injured at the end of November, so even an optimistic return timeline puts him at the end of the preseason". What this article fails to take into account, is (for whatever reason) he waited over two weeks before doing the surgery on 12/14. So you need to add that time to that. And you're reading in between the lines. "Return" does not specifically mean immediately playing games. Return can easily refer to return to practicing with the team. Which is much more likely. If you think that a.) They're going to rush this and risk re-injury or b.) He's going to immediately hit the field at 100% potential and taking 100% snaps - you're not being realistic. And again, even if they did do this, that would put him returning Week 3 or 4.

No one has come out and said Tre is "ahead of schedule". You have an incredibly optimistic view on this. I HOPE he is ahead of schedule. But again, no one has said that. Just that he is "on schedule" - https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/3/2/22958602/tredavious-white-on-schedule-in-return-from-injury As the article states, an ACL is a 9-12 month injury. He had his surgery on 12/14/21. 9 months would bring us to 9/14. And that is the soonest he can start PRACTICING. That doesn't mean the second those 9 months are up, they're just going to throw him on the field. Also, 9 months is the soonest doctors recommend. Generally, they recommend an entire year. Studies have shown pushing recovery time puts an athlete at a much greater risk of a second ACL injury - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2325967120985636 Your prognosis of him doing work in Training Camp and starting Week 1 is incorrect. The best case scenario is we have somewhere around Week 4-6 Worst case scenario we are without him for the majority of the regular season. As for Ike's Achilles - there has been advances in rehabilitation for Achilles that have shortened recovery time over the years. From an article about Ike found here - https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/12/28/22855008/buffalo-bills-g-ike-boettgers-achilles-injury

Ike Boettger was retained. He started 10 games for us last season (7 the year before) and was performing better than Feliciano. He's coming off injury, but is expected to be ready to start the season. Greg Mancz started 4 games last season for Miami. Cody Ford should be given a Camp with a superior OLine coach than he's ever had, given the investment we made in him. Also, David Quessenberry, who was signed to be one of our Swing Tackles, also has the ability to play Guard. Offensive Line has been addressed HEAVILY this offseason already in signing SIX lineman and vastly upgrading our Coaching. If you want to Draft some more depth or insurance Round 3 or beyond, that's fine. But you don't spend your 1st Round pick on depth or insurance. Not with the holes we have this season.

We're set at Guard this season. Yes, Saffold is signed to a 1 year deal, but that doesn't mean they're already looking to replace him next season before even seeing how he plays here. He could perform at a high level and then look to extend him. Bates is signed to a long term contract at decent money for a Starter but a lot for a reserve. He was signed to start in Chicago. Beane wouldn't have matched that deal if he planned on him being a reserve. He'd have let him go and signed a cheaper alternative. If we're spending our 1st on a guy that won't start until next season, there's a myriad of positions we could take outside of Guard. Even if Corner doesn't play out well, there could still be a WR that would get more playing time than a Guard would this season. After signing or retaining 4 different Guards this offseason, using a 1st on Guard as well seems a little much for me.

Tre is coming off an ACL injury. He won't start the season and may or may not return to top form immediately. Dane Jackson lost the CB2 competition to Levi Wallace last season and underperformed expectations. Taron Johnson is a Nickel Corner. We're heading into the Draft starting the season with Dane Jackson and Cam Lewis on the outside with Practice Squad players for depth and having not signed any CB in Free Agency to replace Levi Wallace. Those that are left on the market at this point are on the wrong side of 30, have injury issues, and/or have declined in play. Outside Cornerback is a HUGE glaring issue.

We were able to maintain things well when we played the Patriots twice, the Jets, the Panthers, and the Falcons down that stretch. We played two teams of substance with Levi and Dane at CB. The Buccaneers, who passed for 363 yards on our Secondary and the Chiefs who passed for 378 yards. We no longer have Levi Wallace. Tre White is coming off an ACL, unlikely to start the season, and not a guarantee to return to form immediately when he does. We're looking at starting the season with Dane Jackson (a guy with a 58.5 PFF score who was expected to be CB2, but couldn't beat out Levi in Training Camp) and Cam Lewis as our Starters. We have a gaping hole at a Starting position (two to start the season). We need to have better production from our CB's than we had last season if we want to beat contenders. The Offensive Line has been addressed with people brought in to be Starters. If you think we signed Pro Bowl Guard Rodger Saffold to 6.25 million to backup, you're kidding yourself. Likewise if you think we would have matched a 4 year 17 million dollar (9 million guaranteed) deal to start in Chicago, just to put him on the bench here, you're kidding yourself. We wouldn't have matched it and just signed a cheaper reserve if that were the plan. We've signed or retained six Offensive Lineman this offseason, as well as upgrading the coaching in Kromer. I'm sorry you disagree with the players that were brought in. But the Starting Offensive Line is set this season. You want to get some more depth and development for next season on Day 2 or 3, that's fine. But it's absolutely ridiculous to replace guys who don't need replacing and just throw scraps at a position that is a massive red flag right now. If the well is dry at CB when we pick at 25 and a Lineman is on the board that is sticking out like a sore thumb (and I'm not talking a Zion Johnson or a Kenyon Green), then maybe. Otherwise, no way.

Yeah, let's hand out another 25-30 million a year to a WR AND give up a 1st Round pick and more. That sounds wise.

Had character issues going into the Draft and the team that drafted him in Round 1 is looking to move on from him after just 1 season? 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

You mean this Kyle Fuller? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/22/after-high-profile-signing-broncos-have-benched-kyle-fuller/ Again, if we want to sign one of these guys as some extra help with Tre out to start the season and as depth alongside a 1st or 2nd Round CB - that's fine. But I can't wrap my head around fans (not you specifically bc idk if you're of this mind or not) that are advocating not prioritizing CB in Free Agency by signing one of these leftovers late and also not prioritizing drafting one higher than Round 3. Especially with how last season ended and with Tre returning from an ACL injury, where we don't know if he'll be the same guy this year and most likely won't start the season.