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Again though, Chase is under a Rookie deal for the next two years. So maybe they front load it for a couple years and then lessen it in Year 3 and put an out in the contract after Year 3.

This is my shocked face. I said it immediately in that ridiculous thread about Buffalo going after him. Don't have to worry about that for two more years. Even if they extend Chase now, surely the next two years will remain the same.

Age, room for growth, and injury history factor into the price of a FA just as much as production - if not more. There's nothing more valuable in FA than a productive player 25 or under coming off their first contract. Burns and Hunter are Edge Rushers. Edge is always going to be more valuable than a DT. And Justin Madabuike is coming off a 13 sack season at the age of 25.

I had a feeling when I saw the news, i'd see you here going wild haha This scenario basically changes us from being 52m over to about 41m over. All the cap prognostications for us were factoring in a bump already. It being a little more than expected didn't take us from where we were to being able to go out and get Tier 1 Day 1 FA's. And the bump happened for everyone. Meaning the teams that are in better shape can now spend more money than they expected on those big FA's. We're still in no position to even attempt to get into bidding wars. Things like Evans, Jones, and Pittman are still a pipe dream. The good news is that it will take less to get us under and we'll be able to afford to fill another hole or two more through FA in the tier of guys we can afford.

I don't think either of them are suggesting we ignore the WR position. On the contrary, I think this list speaks to that. We'll only have a small amount of money to spend. And rather than spend that small amount of money on the type of WR we'd be able to afford in the market to be our #2 - pick up bargain bin guys to fill as many of the 4 starting holes and many depth roles on Defense as they can. Then spend our #1 Draft Pick and maybe other draft picks on guys to help Josh out. There's a way better chance to find impact at that position in Round 1 than it would be to spend what little money we have on what that could get us in the veteran FA market.

The comparison is apples and oranges on SO many different levels. How you can't see it is completely insane to me. On that note, I agree, I don't want to go back and forth on this because it's madness that you think it's remotely comparable on any level. They don't. They, like so many others today, are so in their feels over Kansas City landing him that they're seeing red, ignoring common sense on multiple different levels, and lashing out with hairbrained ideas as to how this injustice could have been avoided (spoiler alert - it couldn't) - in a completely black and white manner, ignoring the MANY shades of grey.

I really like the idea of Noah Brown replacing Trent Sherfield, if the price is right.

You can't be convinced by the rules that are in place and the fact that it was outwardly stated that they would do nothing? There were two options - keep him on the roster or cut him. It was attested to in the presser. The league wasn't going to make a special exemption for him. Simple as that. I was hoping they would but it was made clear that they wouldn't. I don't know how you aren't "convinced" by fact. As for the Practice Squad idea, that keeps him from being on the field. But that doesn't stop the media from hounding them and the league putting pressure on them for keeping him on the team. You might think "F-ck the media, F-ck the league! F-ck PR!". That's great for you, you rebellious soul. But that's not the reality of how it works with multi billion dollar companies that have to answer to networks, advertisers, and the public.

I mean, today the focus is on the board cannibalizing itself over Araiza going to the Chiefs. More and more I'm seeing why yolo went dark for so long.

Yeah.... there's a huge difference between the media asking about the health of a woman who has no barring on the field or in public and was barely visible in the first place and trotting an accused r-pist on the field every Sunday. We could have said "we don't want to field questions about this". It wouldn't matter. They would never let it go and we'd be destroyed for avoiding the subject on a daily basis. Let alone the heat from the League Office for making the League look bad. If you don't think Goodell and the league office weren't putting pressure on them to make this go away - i've got a bridge to sell you.

Okay, so you would have used 2 roster spots on 2 Punters for 2 straight seasons? This wasn't just Bills PR either. It was NFL PR.

There's 'no way' of seeing replacing a guy who's an NFL All Pro selection at his position with a guy who has been out of the NFL for two seasons, has a half of a training camp, 1 Pre-Season game, and 1 Pre-Season Punt as his combined total NFL experience, as anything but an upgrade? I know we're all emotional right now, but I can see a number of ways it isn't.

I'm sorry, how does the bolded make me the problem? My man, you are out for blood and blinded by rage. For the record, in that "pitchfork" post you are referring to, I never said he was guilty or innocent. At most, I said the allegation doesn't look good. And it didn't. But I never condemn someone until all the facts are in and a case plays out. I wanted him to be here more than anyone. I still have my 'Punt God' Nike spoof shirt I bought after the Draft around here somewhere. I was sad when we had to let him go. How exactly is me pointing out that the situation went beyond just the "pitchforks" make "people like me" the reason it was a media distraction? I got news for you - if no one took out their "pitchforks", if no one said a single word - the media would have still went as wild as they did. What people said on this board had no barring on EVERY national news outlet, sports or otherwise, running with the story as soon as it dropped. The "pitchforks" coming out or not coming out wouldn't have changed a single thing. Beane still would have had to answer to the media and probably Roger Goodell. We still would have had to use 2 active roster spots for 2 straight year on Punters. Go ahead and take a bow for being in his corner the whole time. My point is your argument - is moot. Pitchforks or no pitchforks on this board, the situation would have played out the exact same way. Here or on another team.

We can talk about the potential of Henry in this offense and whether it would be wise or not to sign him with our cap situation. The point is moot to me. He's going to Baltimore. Baltimore is a contender. They were going to give up a Draft Pick or more to have him in the Playoffs last season. The Titans owner just put the caboshes to it at the last second. They have a barren wasteland of a backfield and now Gus Edwards and JK Dobbins are both Free Agent's. They can now get him like they planned, without having to give up anything in compensation. He can start there. They want him badly. Since "Vegas Odds" are all the rage right now to argue points, here's what Vegas says: Baltimore +175 Dallas +550 Philadelphia +650 Houston +750 We aren't even on the list. Like so many things being discussed of late, we're ignoring what's likely and focusing on the unlikely.

I mean... good for both of you, I guess? Whether you were someone who did or didn't though - it doesn't change the fact that we couldn't use two roster spots on Punters for two years and deal with the media distraction all the while. Everyone on this board and fanbase could have said nothing at all, it wouldn't have mattered. The result would have been the same, any way you slice it, with any team that drafted him.

Again, you and others act as if it was just us who had the "pitchforks" out. Everyone, from sports media and non sports media alike to all the other fanbases in the league, were all saying and doing the same thing when it came to this story. You can sit on your high horse in hindsight and judge everyone around here. But it doesn't change how it played out here and would have played out elsewhere. As I said earlier, there isn't a team in the NFL that would have saved a 53 man roster spot for two straight seasons on a Punter who wasn't here and another spot for the Punter who would be here and dealt with questions about him the entire time. Sucks that we were the ones who Drafted him and had to cut him. Sucks KC ended up with him. But if it were any of the 31 other teams in the NFL that drafted him instead, including the Chiefs who signed him now, the exact same scenario would have played out for them.

I'll take it a step further - there isn't a team in the NFL that wouldn't have done the same. You can be mad about it and say "nuh uh - it would have been just us because we're dumb", but I supremely doubt it. It was terrible timing and a terrible situation. Since it happened before he entered the league, the option to put him on an exempt list didn't exist. We would have had to use a 53 man roster spot on a guy who wasn't here and another spot for another Punter for two straight seasons, if we wanted to wait everything out. All the while it being a media distraction hanging over our heads for all that time. NO team in the league would have done that. And it was far from just us who had pitchforks out. It was a national story picked up by even non-Sports outlets. Every NFL fanbase and every media outlet had the same "pitchforks" out. Is it unfortunate it played out as it did and KC reaps the possible rewards? Yes. But this idea that we should have waited it out and never let him go - isn't really a reality. Whoever drafted him if it wasn't us, would have had the same thing happen in their house and would have done the same thing.

I don't know about that. Coming off his 2022 All Pro campaign, they were able to get him to re-sign on a 1 year deal worth 2.62m Signing Araiza could simply be posturing on KC's end. Make him believe they have an option in house to replace him come negotiations. I doubt he wants to leave Kansas City to begin with.

That's why you don't see a big time FA WR on the list. Guys like Noah Brown and Josh Reynolds are inexpensive veterans who have done some good things and have some upside coming here and playing with Josh. But they aren't going to be WR2. Or come close to the cost of Gabe Davis. They'd be replacing guys like Sherfield and Harty and surely, couldn't provide less. I like Noah Brown quite a bit. Young, had 1 year with an actual QB and did some good things - but was limited working behind Nico Collins and Tank Dell. Could end up being a steal. Partnered with Diggs, Shakir, Kincaid, and a Round 1 WR like Thomas Jr., Legette, Franklin, or Coleman - we could be in real good shape.

If they re-sign Tommy Townsend to a guaranteed contract, Araiza will most likely just be a Camp Leg. I'd wait until we see what they do with their All Pro Punter before freaking out. I don't think anyone signing Araiza right now are just handing him the job. He's a reclamation project at this point.

Doubtful any. With the situation we're in cap wise, we don't want to be taking on contracts that have already been written. We'll be Drafting guys and/or signing guys that we can fully structure the contracts to our liking on. But I don't see giving up Draft picks and taking on someone else's vet contract at the same time. You shouldn't want that anyways. Greatly decreases your chance of a 1st Round WR. I don't see him giving up a high-mid Round pick for a solid WR and cap space we need to fill other holes and then turn around and use the 1 on another WR too.

That's because we're Drafting WR2. Not signing them. A really good veteran WR2 will cost more than we can afford right now.

Tom and Brandon have an amazing chemistry together creating content. Both just seem like great guys.

That's certainly up for debate and there's no telling what the future holds. But he wasn't just the most productive Rookie. He was FAR and AWAY the most productive. Putting up 1486 yards. The next closest Rookie WR (Rashee Rice) put up 936 yards. That's a massive differential. Even if he'd be WR3 in a Re-Draft - the point remains the same. The Draft is a crap shoot. And it's possible to Draft a guy in Round 1 and Round 4 (or a trade up in Round 3) and end up just as well off, if not better, than a Double Down in Round 1 or Round 1 and 2. Especially so when you take into account Option 2 costs us Stefon Diggs, in his scenario.

Anthony's Top Bills Targets: 1.) DE Jonathan Greenard - Houston Texans 2.) DT Sheldon Rankins - Houston Texans 3.) DT Daquan Jones - Buffalo Bills 4.) S Jeremy Chinn - Carolina Panthers 5.) WR Noah Brown - Houston Texans 6.) S Brandon Jones - Miami Dolphins 7.) DT A'Shawn Robinson - New York Giants 8.) DT Malcolm Roach - New Orleans Saints Erik's Top Bills Targets: 1.) DT Daquan Jones - Buffalo Bills 2.) DT Malcolm Roach - New Orleans Saints 3.) S Alohi Gilman - LA Chargers 4.) WR Josh Reynolds - Detroit Lions 5.) DE Tyquan Lewis - Indianapolis Colts 6.) S Brandon Jones - Miami Dolphins 7.) WR Noah Brown - Houston Texans 8.) DT Austin Johnson - LA Chargers Interesting to me to see them share half of their lists. Great breakdown of some realistic fits for us when it comes to money and scheme.