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Oh, with Mahomes, it isn't so much the stats. As I watch the Big 12 on a weekly basis, you're always watching a QB with gaudy stats. And that's especially true with TT QB's. He almost had to overcome that to get drafted. You had to figure out what made him different than a Bryce Petty, or a Geno Smith and couldn't just take the stats at face value. To me, it was the LSU bowl game in his soph. year. They were twisting, stunting, blitzing and rarely giving him 2 seconds in the pocket. But he'd run, dodge, throw across his body, but he'd hit a guy 15-20 yards downfield, putting the ball right where it needed to be. If you watch the "Mahomes vs. LSU tape on youtube, there is a season worth of highlights from just that game. That game said to me...he's got something. My memory goes back a ways, and it reminded me of the first time I saw Brees play in college.

If that's the definition, it would be stripping the offense of talent so they can draft a DE next spring. *puts head in hands and weeps. But actually, I think they stripped it for the sake of stripping it, and had no idea how badly they overestimated their offensive talent evaluation skills.

Yes, he was and it was a really nice surprise, considering how little experience he had in designing a game plan. One of the smartest things he did, and it can't be stressed enough...he went with what had worked and improved on it. He saw that Greg Roman's playbook for the running game was working, it needed refinement. Much of the refinement came in from just getting the plays in the huddle on time. But he knew the team could run the ball and didn't try to screw things up by changing the system. Then we had Dennison, who changed to a stretch play dominant offense because....he never ran another offense and had no desire to learn another. Lynn doesn't run the same playbook in LA now because he has different personnel and it would be foolish to waste Rivers' talents. There's a reason Lynn is a head coach now, and that his team is successful.

Im not seeing the parallel to the Carolina example. The Panthers were worst in the NFL in scoring the year before Cam got there. In his rookie year, they finished the year at 5th in scoring. If you're projecting to next year, I hope so, but there is nothing to indicate a turnaround is coming. And I'm not sure what McD had to do with either of those O's. Sigh. The 2016 team had 46 TD's from the O, with another 3 by the D. The 2015 team had 42 TD's from the O, with another 3 by the D. This year's team, in year 2 of some silly "rebuild" has...8 so far. They'll have to step up their game to reach 16. Now, how many years will it take on this rebuild to gat back to scoring between 40 and 45 offensive TD's? 3, 5, 10?

I smile because I still use one at times on the weekend. The Revere ware pot in which my mother made my dad's morning coffee for years. With a shot glass to cover the spout. I know, I know you're not supposed to. But do it right and it doesn't burn or turn bitter. And nothing beats the aroma, no matter what brand of coffee you use. It fills the house. And invariably when someone stops over on a Sat. morning, I'll hear "Damn, Jimmy, this is some serious gourmet *****. Me and Vince would have been happy with freeze dried Folgers and you spring this serious gourmet ***** on us.'" Anyway, to your original post, I like this: http://www.bluejazzjava.com/rimshot-blend-2-lb/ Nice, distinct flavor, no bitterness. I haven't tried their espresso.

so there's no more "One Voice", "One Buffalo" "One Opinion" or "One Side" or whatever it was? Damn, I'm going to miss that.

Its difficult enough for someone who's good at offense to rebuild, an Andy Reid when you strip all of its talent, a guy who knows what to look for in an offensive player and knows his vision for the offense. Its exponentially more difficult when you're trying to do it with 2 rookie talent evaluators, with no track record, whose forte is the other side of the ball. Starting with the D first makes it that much worse. Carrying the "we want our guys" just adds more to the steep hill they've chosen to climb. "We know better than everyone else" makes it pretty insurmountable. A few extra late round draft choices aren't going to help this offense. These guys aren't going to be picking up many late round gems for the O. Nor will a ton of cap space, when they haven't shown the ability to identify talent on that side of the ball. And you're right...it didn't need to be like this. Out of the "rebuilds" on the O, this might have been one of the easier ones for the drought teams. They chose the most difficult path.

Oh, I am thinking. And am calm. I'm just not the one trying to compare Nick Bosa to Bruce. Objectively, I'd say I'm the one typing with the calm mind.

lol.. Bruce had 22 sacks in one year and 16 in another while in college. That was at a time when teams threw about a half to two thirds of the passes they throw today. Most NFL LT's couldn't handle Bruce one on one. Good college OT's handle Bosa. People get a little crazy with their hyperbole. Its odd. McD is to be forgiven for passing over not 1 but 2 QB's who are now tearing up the league right now...but it would be some type of mortal sin to pass up a DE who had a whopping 8.5 sacks in his best year. And people wonder why we have the worst O in the league by far. It isn't hard to figure out.

Well, we don't have to worry about that. There's no Bruce Smith in this draft.

If he thinks this was their biggest mistake....

There are enough analogies for what they've done to the offense. The young roofing contractor you hire who decides to rip apart the HVAC system, leaving AC and furnace parts scattered all over the basement as he tries to gerry rig it back together; The computer geek you hired to design a website, who decides to fool around with your OS, screwing it up royally. The mechanic you hire for engine work, but he takes it on himself to rebuild your transmission, never having worked on one, much less rebuild one. And now with tranny parts all over the garage, he keeps trying to jam in salvage yard parts. Based on what they had on O, this could have been one of the easiest "rebuilds" for a Bills O in recent memory. They chose the path of most resistance, for a task that neither has ever attempted. Well, that would be my parents, since they brought me into the world, and like most Bills' fans, its part of our DNA. My dad's been gone for 30 years and my mom is in her 80's, so I'm not beating her, or biting her.

Yeah, well, I'm not really sure where people get this, "we've never rebuilt before". TD/GW took over in 2001. After 2002, there were about 3 starters on each side of the ball left. Offense Moulds Price Brown Defense Pat Williams Winfield maybe someone else Jauron took over in 2006, by 2007 you again had about 3 players from each side of the ball left. Offense Evans Josh Reed Peters (I suppose you can count Losman) Defense Schobel Kelsay McGee maybe you can count Crowell and Greer, but they weren't starters in 2005. I won't go into Buddy's regime..but it was clear that he was trying to rebuild the D, hoping it was going to be another Chargers D of the mid 2000's. And of course, he provided like 1 player to the O (Spiller). In each case, a new coach, new GM new defensive scheme and of course, a new RB. In each case, the leaders of the old regime were gone. In each case, the cap was used as the excuse, "cap hell" was the catch phrase for the TD regime, "cash to cap" was the Levy/Jauron buzzword. The only thing that stopped Rex from completely tearing down the 4th ranked defense he inherited was his firing. He was only able to get away with a partial tear down. I'm not sure how those don't classify as a rebuild, at least the TD and Jauron regimes. Unless, you're talking about tanking...which is just, so Cleveland. In none of those cases did you have an offense that finished the prior season 10th in the NFL in scoring.

Well, that's not what Reid said, or Dorsey. They were unanimous on him. Both emphasized it. https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article147392189.html https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article147284164.html Brett Veatch, current GM and maybe the guy most responsible for getting him to KC, explains it this way: https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/08/23/patrick-mahomes-kansas-city-chiefs-andy-reid Back before the 2017 draft, Brett Veach—then the co-director of player personnel, now the Chiefs general manager—would see when the head coach would break for lunch. At that point in the day, Reid would have a pretty good read on the quarterback, and as he walked past the windows of Veach’s office, he would look down and swipe his hand from left to right as if to say “no way.” The kid couldn’t be their guy of the future. Then Patrick Mahomes visited to the team facilities. Veach saw Reid on his way to lunch and looked for a hand signal. He got eye contact and a thumbs-up—full approval from one of the best offensive minds in today’s NFL. “It wasn’t just a nod or a smile, it was a thumbs up with a smile,” Veach says. “Turning that hall I remember coach looking at me like, ‘Yeah, this is the dude.’

Actually, I thought it was a simple question.

The one play...where they switched around blocking and the guard didn't get out quick enough. Of course, there are many, many more plays in that game.... Point out what else he did in that game, especially the 2nd half when Mayfield was shredding them.

And when he went against Bosa, he pretty much won nearly all battles against him. Its a reason I'm not sold on Bosa.

idk...Im sure McVay and Wade talk continuously. And I'm sure that Wade knows he's a DC and not an HC. And I'm sure McVay might give him ideas at times. But for the most part, that's Wade's D. And it should be. There's little McVay could teach Wade about running a D and I'm sure he knows that. One of the best things you can do is hire first class talent and then stay out of his way, especially when its out of your area of expertise. McVay was extremely smart in hiring Wade, as was Pederson in hiring Schwartz. And Im sure both of those DC's had an ear with their GM's in giving suggestions on who they need in terms of personnel. When Jauron was here, I didn't realize how much of a hand he had in the offense until he fired Schonert. It wasn't that Schonert was fired, it was his statements when he left, particularly about how Jauron was on his back all the time about this and that...especially about simplifying the offense. If there was a coach who needed to desperately stay away from an offense, it was Jauron. But he didn't and it showed. He'd go through an OC every 2 years, but never realized the problem was him. And his offenses were always at the bottom of the league. It applies to the GM level as well. The best thing the McBeane tandem can do in the offseason is bring in the best player personnel man they can find and let him run this ill-advised rebuild. If a new OC is warranted, let him find the new guy. After 2 years, the rookie GM and the rookie HC have shown nothing in terms of building or running an offense. The sooner they realize this and bring in competent help, the better off they'll be.

A better comparison for him would be Brandin Cooks or Desean Jackson on the good side, Tavon Austin on the bad.

Which part? You know, before they got here, in 2016, the Bills O actually scored more than the Chiefs. And in TD's the Bills 2016 offense scored more TD's than KC by a dozen. (46-34). They had similar cap situations. For the most part, the dismantling of the Bills' O was due to not being "their" guys. The problem is, after 2 years, they've shown no ability to put it back together. Im not one to say "fire Beane". But I am saying that he, or McD or both better bring in someone to build the offense for them. They're about as far off in this area as a tandem can be. At the very least, after 2 years, they should have had the offense stacked with young prospects.

I've said this before when this comes up...but how many of those would survive the McBeane purge if they were running KC? Watkins certainly wouldn't be there. Kelce is making $10 million a year, I could see him being traded. Hunt really isn't better than Shady. Different type of runner, but he's really not as good. And I like Hunt. HIll wouldn't have prospered under them. He was a day three pick with lots of speed but little else. He became a WR under Reid. The stellar Oline, it wouldn't be close. Fisher and his $13 million a year salary would be traded. I'm not sure Schwartz, at $6 or 7 million a year would still be there. Hell, Beane didn't want to pay Ritchie $5 million for a single year, and he just came off a Pro Bowl year. Tardif would never have gotten $8 million a year. More likely than not, the KC offense would have been gutted like the Bills' O was, if Beane was running that team.

Well, there's a few things here. 1. What is the 4th or 5th round pick going to bring? -Ashton Youboty? CJ Ah You? Duke Williams? This is what draft picks for Lynch ,McGahee and Henry brought. Some 3rds, a 4th or 2 that did nothing to improve the team in the short run or the long run. 2..and this, to me, is more important. If I'm overseeing McBeane, I'm looking at putting the brakes on dumping offensive talent. I know what left since they got here, I know what they are doing on other teams and I know what they've brought in. And I know its been 2 years. And I know what the offense looks like. Frankly, I take the attitude of "before you dump more talent, its really time for you two start concentrating on bringing it in. Before they keep ripping apart, its time for them to demonstrate an ability to acquire talent for the offense.

Well THERE'S something that's never been done in Buffalo. Trade your RB and waste a 1st round pick on his replacement.

And even if those guys were here, they wouldn't be. Eric Fisher and his contract wouldn't survive Beane..he would have been traded..probably to Cincy. Kelce's contract doesn't make it either, he's pawned off for a 2nd or a 3rd. Under Dennison, Hill never develops as a receiver (something he's not given nearly enough credit for), he remains the same raw, one trick pony he was coming out of college. They'd still trade for the big slow target that is KB; Hunt ends up looking like crap under the new regime, people would be talking about dumping him for a mid round pick by now.

Trade him for a 3rd or 4th, use next year's no. 1 for a RB. Its the Buffalo way.