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I just use Paint. Screen capture (Alt-PrintScreen), paste in paint (ctrl-v), select your box & ctrl-c to copy, paste it (ctrl-v) & crop, then if necessary resize till the select-all is < 200kb when you copy the image and paste to TSW with ctrl-v.

Similar but I'm going Burch. Physical traits he's very much like Myles Garrett except for the knuckle-dragging arm-length.

No intention to personally offend. I don't think yours was a valid rationale for the reasons given in the response, and just sounded to me like the traditional TSW murder of crows "Beane keeps reaching for position" (which may actually be a valid argument) with no additional explanation, and applying it to what has happened in TSW 1.0 - which really wasn't the case. So that's where you ended up taking the hit for it. The Bills lack of starting-level CB was a factor but not THE factor on Amos - he's widely regarded as a low-first/high-second propect. And Watts is right out. Ok, there's a justification. I liked what I saw on Amos' tape. The comparisons to Elam in an earlier thread, I'll call those lazy as well. The side-by-side highlights looked nothing alike. Amos is physical at the line, fluid in changing direction, and can plaster and mirror.

What about the guys not on the poll, was there anyone else (specifically thinking about Kennard/Gillotte)

There's a nice deal to be had there... #30+132 for #33+104 [214pts - 213pts on Rich Hill chart]. Gets the Bills 5 picks in the top 110.

I'm just thinking he's a Z playing behind Samuel. If you're going that direction, Chimere D1ke (seriously?) is bigger & faster, also returns punts and plays gunner too. Recall what McD said about "looking for guys for ST" again (blahh). Probably there in the 5th.

Valid... but I got me some sleepers I wanna nab with some of those 5th's

Watts was clearly BPA and not a roster hole so this is a lazy argument and 50% invalid from the get-go. Drafting for fit - not need - was the problem with the DL at #30. If you assume Amos and DT3T's were in a similar grade tier (many scouting sites say they are) then the tiebreaker is - positional value (CB >> DT3T), scarcity in the draft class (CB >> DT3T) and finally roster fit (CB >> DT3T). Even if you have Amos a tier below, those factors still are an influence weighing on the decision to draft him. I do agree with Burch among the listed options.

Farmer is not the DT they need. But, this is another argument for a trade down. I'd love to see the Bills, if TSW 2.0 falls this way, trade out of the spot and acquire a 3rd and top-of-4th in return to give them 5 of the top 110 picks. Seeing that the Bills had 4 predominant roster needs but went BPA with Watts (a DIFFERENCE MAKER??) then you've got your CB in Amos but still want to secure DT1T, EDGE, and WR and you do it with top 100-ish picks. Beane has shown in prior trades he tracks very closely to Rich Hill value chart. Here's teams that I'd be calling to see if they want to pop up to 62 for a guy, that have the right ammunition: CLE: #62+132+170 for #67+104 [111pts - 108pts] CAR: #62+170 for #74+111 [93pts - 93pts] SF: #62+132 for #75+100 [102pts - 98pts] NE: #62+169 for #77+106 [93pts - 92pts] HOU: #62+132 for #79+89 [102pts - 103pts] SEA: #62+170+206 for #82+92 [97pts - 97pts] lesser fits: JAX: #62 for #70+142 (with an eye to package 132+142 for 110 or better) [84pts - 84pts] NO: #62+109 for #71+93 [114pts - 113pts] ARI: #62+206 for #78+115 [88pts - 86pts]

Hah, that's about where I'm at. But my preference for roster building with the Bills is to look for a WR5 with upside to WR1 or WR2 - kind of what they thought Shorter was, but wasn't. The 2nd round is a bit much for that unless you have a place to play him this year or he's just so clearly BPA you'll take him and fit him somewhere. But the two guys I'm zeroed in for that are Thornton as you mentioned and my Senior Bowl crush Isaac Teslaa. But both are reaches here. I don't think it's so much drafting for need as drafting where they can compete for a roster spot and despite the Bills being within a window now, you have to take swings at high-ceiling guys too because the other thing (of about 800) TSW complains about is the Bills not having difference-makers. So out of the available options I think that's Burch because there's no double-team eating 1T's on this list and he's a huge edge that unlike Ivey can actually run. If he pans out then you're done with AJE after this year and you've upgraded that position. That said, after drafting Amos and Watts, the Bills can draft for competition at: DT 1T, EDGE, LB, WR, RB and with the later picks go for high upside development prospects to stash on the PS.

19 - Bucs - Bill from NYC - Landon Jackson, Edge, Arkansas

I could almost be convinced to take Elric of Ayombone... I mean, Elic Ayomanor here except for Bond and Royals are on the poll instead? If there's a guy in the draft who might be Rashee Rice, he looks like he can be. The guys at DT who I like for playing next to Oliver instead of backing him up - Jordan Phillips, Zeek Biggers, CJ West, et al, they aren't really a value at this position and aren't in the poll. A trade-down candidate position, maybe? Among the Edges if we were going that direction, Kyle Kennard is someone who fits a need for a speed end and won the Nagurski this past year, similarly Ashton Gillotte. Among the choices here, probably Burch but if it's wide open, he's not who I'm opting for at this slot. Stewart looks like Solomon with t-rex arms, Ivey is if you want to do the Basham thing again - too slow for edge, doubt he'll hold up inside and where is he on the depth chart anyway if he is. Just feels like the 4-5 guys I'd want here aren't here. Edit: those guys - Elic Ayomanor, Kyle Kennard, Ashton Gillotte, Jordan Phillips, CJ West. Those are probably my top picks for the Bills. Maybe even Marcus Mbow as a projected IOL.

I like West if you're taking DL here as he has some versatility to 1T and 3T and he can eat double-team blocks, he was doubled up all year at Indiana. If you're going EDGE then yeah, Kennard is the sort you're looking for as he has a more classic pass rush build than Solomon. If you think Ayomanor is Rashee Rice, you'd almost HAVE to take him at this spot and address the DL with the R4 picks or pop up to R3 with a trade-up. If they hadn't just extended Bernard, I like Knight's fit to the Mike role and he's a value pick at this slot, a thumper who can fly sideline-to-sideline like a Nick Bolton. If you're pissed that the Bills didn't draft McConkey last year then that's Jack Bech.

Significant players still undrafted, in position order of Bills interest probably, broken down by O and D DT: Joshua Farmer / Florida State Omarr Norman-Lott / Tennessee Jordan Phillips / Maryland Shemar Turner / Texas A&M CJ West / Indiana EDGE: Jordan Burch / Oregon Jared Ivey / Mississippi Kyle Kennard / South Carolina Elijah Roberts / SMU Josaiah Stewart / Michigan LB: Demetrius Knight Jr / South Carolina Chris Paul Jr / Mississippi CB: Denzel Burke / Ohio State Dorian Strong / Virginia Tech S: Kevin Winston Jr / Penn State Andrew Mukuba / Texas WR: Elic Ayomanor / Stanford Jack Bech / TCU Isaiah Bond / Texas Jaylin Noel / Iowa State Xavier Restrepo / Miami Jalen Royals / Utah State RB: Quidshon Junkins / Ohio State Dylan Sampson / Tennessee Cam Skattebo / Arizona State IOL: Wyatt Milum / West Virginia Jared Wilson / Georgia OT: Marcus Mbow / Purdue Ozzy Trapilo / Boston College TE: Elijah Arroyo / Miami Mason Taylor / LSU

With pick #61 in the TSW 1.0 Draft, the Washington Comanches select: JT Tuimoloau, EDGE, Ohio State We have depth issues at edge with a couple retreads in Dorrance Armstrong and Cleland Farrell at the top of our depth chart. We liked Swinson a lot, but just missed out. Still, we're not really reaching here, this is still a player with significant upside, big game production and physical tools. If we can't get the next Chase Young we'll have to take the next Ryan Kerrigan for now. @Virgil the Bills are on the clock.

I think there will be guys similar to Farmer at 62, 109, 132. I don't think there's going to be a Watts-caliber guy there.

Philly didn't allow KC receivers free releases off the line that Buffalo did. No DL in the world gets home if the QB is getting rid of the ball in 2 seconds. The Eagles drafted secondary with their first two picks last year. They contested the short routes and didn't up the give easy pitch & catches in a soft zone, made Mahomes hold the ball just that one extra beat... and their DL ate up those crappy tackles and put him on the ground. What Watts does for your team is: takes the ball away. It's a scheme of McDefense to put players in position to give the ball back to the offense and I'd say there really isn't any safety currently on the roster for whom that is (or projects to be) a strength of their game. You can see Watts' receiver skill-set on tape: he gets the ball for you. As opposed to Farmer, I think the Bills have a few of those already.

To me it's obvious in terms of Farmer isn't really a fit, he's another penetrator and not an anchor guy eating blocks. You just got done passing on a far superior player in Nolen for this reason, TSW... what are you doing here? Farmer doesn't stand up double-teams well at all. You're still going to need a true 1T down the line - on Day 3 where the 2-down run stuffers get drafted. And Farmer is just more of the Oliver/Carter/Ogunjobi flavor to me.

We've dropped Bradyn Swinson and JT Tuimalaou from the poll as combined they would still be trailing Farmer or Watts. If one of those was your selection you may re-vote for one of the final 2.

I've got a similar guys to Ingram-Dawkins for power edge who popped to me at the combine in that range. That's part of why I shaded to Xavier Watts at this pick, Watts is just too much of value+fit+need+separation-from-the-next-tier at this slot to pass on, and there's sleepers at edge and 1T that can be had in the middle of Day 3. For power edge I liked what I saw from Ahmed Hassanein the Egyptian Magician from Boise State. He's only been playing the game for a couple years and has gone for zero to draftable in a short time. Also you could go with Tyler Batty out of BYU or Elijah Roberts from SMU. As far as traditional pass-rushing edge, Fadil Diggs of Syracuse and Jah Joyner of Minnesota are toolsy guys with speed to press the edge in packages but also frame and physical tools to develop. We know the Bills have met with Zeek Biggers from Georgia Tech for their 1T role, others have noted Florida's Cam Jackson and JJ Pegues from Ole Miss. Nazir Stackhouse from Georgia is another 2-down blocker-eater. Because of the lack of pass rush those guys will slide down the board but they are fine the way the Bills use the DL rotation. There's like 50 guys on the DL in this draft who would have a chance to make the Bills roster. This is a big reason I actually like that cluster of 5's the Bills hold, there are guys who can definitely make it that will be in that range - there is going to be value there.

We're pruning down to our Final Four... if you have voted for a player no longer on the poll please re-vote.

Tuimoloau is going to need some development, he's certainly more physically gifted than Boogie, but I'm wondering if the Bills aren't thinking in terms of a Jordan Burch or Saivion Jones perhaps making it to 109 or at least to an area where they can pop up a few slots rather than getting the power DE here. At this point all of these prospects have questions to them and an ability to bust or hit.

I think it comes down to, there's an awful lot of Edge and DT left on the board. The Bills are up again in just 6 picks, and unless you're excluding him for the Hyde-like 4.55 40-yard time, Watts is a hand-in-glove fit for the ball-hawking deep-half safety the Bills haven't had on the roster since Hyde left. If the Bills weren't picking again till 109 I might think of doing something different but on this board I think I gotta draft Watts here and hope my favorite defensive lineman (and I do have one) is there at 62. This one is a really tough call and I'm still noodling... there's four or five guys I'd be pleased with on that list. The Epenesa type or the Basham type?

Had to make the cut at 15 but I'll mention them in the OP to see if there's a groundswell to get them in

If I didn't botch it, poll is live