Donuts and Doritos

We broke. & We aren't a DT away. Need offensive upgrades.

He's coming back & so is Dorsey. Dorsey I think is more of a concern. I'm not enthused, but I'll withhold final Judgement until I see what our final Roster moves look like. Need some upgrades.

Until they invest 1st round draft capital & surround him with weapons other than Diggs & build up a legit O-line, they will be wasting his talents. The O can't be Josh playing Superman all the time. I really hope they're right about keeping Dorsey, cause I don't see it.

Um, Orlovsky stepped out the back of an end zone for a safety, so I take what he says w/ a wee bit of salt. https://youtu.be/J0OkR986LL4

Solid points all the way around. Thanks.

Glad he's done. Stayed 2 years too long. Hated him when he played. But can't deny he was the greatest to do it, the Jordan of the sport.

Interesting points & I don't disagree that we need a talent upgrade in the WR room. However, Diggs, Beas & Brown all had career years when they upgraded to Allen as their QB. They were established players prior to being here. What exactly did Hall change about their games that brought that out or was it simply a product of the upgrade to Allen as QB? Davis was expected by the Bills to be the #2 this year, he wasn't, (was Hall consulted on that decision? maybe), he had the second lowest catch % in the entire NFL this year and has a 55.3% career catch %, that's not my opinion, it's just facts. Davis may have been a 4 round pick but Diggs was a 5th. I'm sure Hall is a fine coach, but the WR unit underperformed expectations. (Tied for 2nd in the league in drops). I'm curious who he's really developed? Do we really think he's developed Davis, McKenzie, Shakir, Hodgins into consistent WRs for us? It seems like all our talent over his tenure has come from imports of established guys. So what drafted players has he brought along to being a consistent top 3 WR on our team? In the end I'm not saying he's a bad coach or that we shouldn't keep him, I'm just not sure that if he gets the OC gig, we're going to notice a big drop off in play. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/who-has-the-lowest-catch-percentage-among-wide-receivers https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/what-is-gabriel-davis-catch-percentage-career#:~:text=Gabe Davis has caught 55.3 percent of targets in his career. https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

Who has he developed that wasn't already great? Diggs, Beasley, Brown, Sanders were already established players prior to his coaching them. Davis is a 54% career catch rate who can only run 3 routes per several CBs we've played & clearly was not the WR2. McKenzie really hasn't progressed. Shakir didn't do much this year. Isaiah Hodgins never really played. Saying all the WR are crap but the WR Coach is awesome seems like saying "he's the best leader of a failed unit". We fired our Safeties coach & his group was so decimated by injuries he had to play 5th stringers. So who has he developed? What WR2, slot WR has he produced for us? Are you satisfied with the WR group? What makes everyone think he's so good other than the players like him (Josh likes Dorsey, & I'm not convinced he's very good)?

Let's Ride!

We'll, Payton's off to Denver, so it's all academic anyway. (Not that he was ever coming here since we aren't moving on from McD). Let's hope we fix the issues on the roster.

That's why I said he's a top 5 all time coach, never said he was "mediocre". I agree his constant switching spots may have contributed, but the point is everyone thought bringing him in would equal SB win (much like some seem to think w/ Payton) & it didn't. & The fact that Payton isn't as good only makes my argument that bringing him in will not automatically equate to a SB ring that much more compelling.

Bye-bye Lou, get the hell outta the AFC.

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This might be the most entertaining Pro Bowl ever, in a car crash kind of way, it's awful but you can't pull your eyes away.

Times up MOFOS!

He never won a Superbowl after he left the Giants. Sure, he improved teams & got them to the post season, but McD does that now. We're talking about upgrading not to reach the SB, but to win it, which Parcells (who's a top 5 all time great) never did. That's what I believe you'll get w/ Sean Payton, a great coach who won't get us a ring.

We'll they do light it for the NJ Giants & NJ Jets, so there's precedent for the out of state teams.

Eagles & Giants won SBs w/ back up QBs. 49ers had more injuries than you can count & were on their 3rd string 'Mr. Irrelevant" QB & still made the Championship game. No doubt Bills had tons of adversity, but last year it was the OT coin flip rules screwed them, this year it's adversity. Enough excuses, SB teams find a way to overcome these things. They blinked.

Saffold... Pro bowl's a complete joke. Cancel the whole damn thing.

While I'd generally agree GMs are cagy, he really wasn't. He tipped his hand that Dorsey will be back & was pretty strident in his defense of Spencer Brown & Gabe Davis. He didn't need to be soo committal on any of them, but he chose to. Not expecting a lot, certainly seems at this point he's bringing Dorsey back like he said. So I don't see next season being much different.

Wait, Beane make changes to fix our problems, like at O-Line & OC, are you kidding, did you see his presser?

Unless there's a major upgrade at WR2 & the O-line overhauled, I expect more of the same, 1st or 2nd round exit. Even w/ those changes I have no faith in Dorsey as OC to get it done.

No!! Coached one of the best QBs & a good roster for 15 years & got 1 SB appearance/win in his 3rd season, other 14 years were the same as what we have now. He's not an upgrade & that's an expensive price to pay to get a poorer version of Bill Parcells post Giants coaching.

Milano & White. Edmunds (at times). Waiting for Ed Oliver but he's not there yet, waiting on Knox (w/ a better O-Line & OC I think he could get there). Maybe, maybe, maybe Dawkins could get there w/ better play at LG & O-Line overall. Too soon to tell on 2023 draft class. That's it.