JohnNord

LOL you gotta love Ariel. He dragged it out of Steve.

Yeah thank you. I never said that Mahomes wasn’t very talented or that he wasn’t the best QB in the nfl. I believe he is. Just that most in the media spent 2 weeks hyping about great he is, and perhaps...rightfully so, but it created the sense that he was going to waltz into Tampa and destroy TB. That obviously didn’t happen. It just seems that the same people who hyped him up are going way out of their way to rationalize his performance While I don’t feel he was the reason the team lost, I also don’t feel he was as good as people like Schwartz and Kimes would suggest. IMO it was his worst game as a starting QB - which should say volumes about how good he has been over his first 3 years.

I don’t think Mahomes needs you to white knight for him. Besides, I never doubted his talent at all. What I did doubt is whether his game was as good as some have touted it to be. This entire thread is around the variance of opinion as to whether Mahomes played a “great” game in the Super Bowl. Fans and media all have different takes which is what makes this a topic worth discussing...because you know you are on an internet message board with strangers for fun. Someone emphatically stated that the Super Bowl wasn’t his worst game, and I said it was citing actual statistics. So again, I’ll ask you since you see to be so vested in Mahomes. What was his worst game as a pro? Because just about every other start has been good

Ok so what was his worst game then? Part of the reason for so much hype is that “bad” games by Mahomes standards really aren’t that bad. By the numbers alone this was easily his worst.

That’s gotta be the heartbreaking part of being the parent of an addict. Of course, it’s also a case of nepotism but that’s common in the NFL. My thinking is that when Andy took over in 2013, Britt was still passionate about football. He had done his prison sentence and was an intern at Temple. Andy probably thought that giving him a low-level position would help keep him occupied and keep him close so he could keep tabs. He atleast knew the type of culture/environment he would build in KC. Britt was on the staff for 7+ plus years so it was probably working for a lwhile, but ultimately it’s very hard to depend on someone with addiction issues that aren’t completely addressed

I think that a jail sentence is probably the best case scenario if found guilt. If they find that Britt was drinking at the Chiefs facility, which definitely seems like a possibly, you bet your arse there will be a civil suit against the Chiefs. And if they somehow find out that Andy or the coaches knew he was drinking there could be some major collateral damage. Essentially Britt put a lot of people in a terrible situation

She thinks she does and fancies herself as a believer in analytics It’s not bitter...just pointing out the contrast in the way that different media personalities are analyzing the same performance.

I think it was a hyperbole. There was a ton of glowing media coverage about how great Mahomes is. Many did proclaim his as the “Michael Jordan of NFL” and praised him as the most dominant athlete in any leagues. So to say that Mahomes was heavily hyped leading up to the Super Bowl is an understatement.

After weeks of hearing how Patrick Mahomes is the “Michael Jordan” of the NFL, some in the media are now going out of their way to prop up his performance in the Super Bowl - despite the bad numbers and meager scoring output. Yet earlier today, one of the most respect film analysts Gregg Cosell, actually used film study to show that Mahomes didn’t play his best game. In the full podcast Tucker noted that so many wanted to blame the OL without acknowledging that Mahomes wasn’t as sharp as he’s been in the past. My opinion, is that while Mahomes made some incredible plays it was still probably his worst game as a pro. I wouldn’t say he was the reason he lost, but you can add him to the long list of Chiefs who didn’t deliver. I do feel that the media is contorting to try to prop him up. I find that kind of bizarre. The crazy thing is that against the Bills everyone said “oh look how he’s moving he’s showing NO effects from turf toe.” Then when he was losing they said “that turf toe is really affecting his throws tonight.” The Chiefs fanbase is especially banging this drum hard. Where do you fall on this debate and do you think there’s a Pro-Mahomes narrative some are trying to push?

I just don’t see the Bills spending a 1st round draft choice on a running back especially when Beane came out as his end-of-season presser and said the problem with the running game wasn’t Miss or Singletary. I think their improvement is tied to new additions on the OL. The only way I see this move happening is if the team moves on from Singletary and I can’t see that happening. If it does, then I would welcome a new weapon to the offense

Eh I think he could’ve phrased things better but I think the point was that everyone’s play was inconsistent and he started with himself. He probably was a little shell shocked by getting that kind of ass whipping so badly

It was almost as though the roles were reversed for Kansas City in the Super Bowl vs AFCCG. Nothing seemed to go right. The line was blown up and couldn’t protect versus the front 4. QB had no time to throw and had to force passes. Dumb penalties and mistakes were made. The defense dropped 7 or 8 in coverage knowing that the offense wasn’t interested in running. When the offense moved the ball, they were held to FG’s Its remarkable that the high powered Kansas City offense essentially got beat with the same gameplan they used against Buffalo. And part of the reason why things opened up for Tampa on offense is because they involved the running backs on screens, short passes and running plays versus a loaded secondary - which the Chiefs and Bills were unwilling to do.

Agree and I think that’s an aspect to the game that the entire offense will need to work on. The running backs and tight ends caught very few footballs this season. And in a game when KC was putting 7 or 8 in coverage that could’ve been big. Part of it is that Josh needs to check the ball down and part of it is that he needs running backs or tight ends that can actually make plays with the ball. This is the “speed” that Beane and McDermott talking about that was lacking

The reaction the this years Super Bowl is interesting. It seems that some are trying to diminish a pretty dominating performance by Tampa Bay on both sides of the ball while trying to make excuses for Kansas City and Pat Mahomes. Yes, Mahomes was under pressure all day and some of the throws he made while evading were incredible. No doubt. But he completed 50% of his passes, threw for 2 INT and scored a measly 9 points. It was not a great game for him. But where was the talk of the foot injury when he played Buffalo? Many said that he was back to himself and that the foot wasn’t bothering him. But when he struggled Also, the offensive line has been short handed all season long. The loss of Fisher last week hurt them, but how many in the media raved about how KC took unheralded lineman and got them to play at a high level against Cleveland and Buffalo. This week, more excuses. Finally Andy Reid went from being a bold and brilliant play caller three weeks ago, to a buffoon for not running the football - which he hasn’t done much all year....largely because of his passing offense. And then there’s the timeouts at the end of the half! Ive never seen so many excuses for a team that lost by 3 TD’s.

Here’s a very pertinent article to what’s been discussed. I’d didn’t see it posted, my apologizes if it had been. The writer heavily goes after the lack of response from KC https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-owe-more-than-thoughts-and-prayers-to-family-of-5-yearold-fighting-for-life-after-crash-with-britt-reid-184443680.html Here’s what we know: - The 5 year old girl (Ariel), still in a coma. - GoFundMe campaign has raised close to $400,000 mostly in small donations. - Kansas City Chiefs, Andy Reid, or the Hunt family has not reached out to the family in any way. They have not donated any money to the GoFundMe, nor have the offered - unless anonymously. Even so, most donations were fairly small amounts. - Sounds like a DUI conclusion is all for forgone and everyone knows it, based on language in police report. -Britt Reid had surgery after the accident and is still employed as a coach on the team. Most interesting part is here: - Many wondered what Britt was doing as OLB coach to begin with. He went from prison to assistant coach in less than 5 years. He has been viewed as a nepotism hire. - The accident took place near the Chiefs facility. Due to COVID protocols it’s not likely he drank at a restaurant/bar/friends house. Britt lives 30 minutes away from the facility and was likely on his way home. The Chiefs probably know when he left the facility and what he was doing inside. All in all, this seems like a really bad situation for Britt and more heartache for the Reid family. I really am praying for Ariel

Edmunds seems to be the player that is dividing the Bills fan base. Some feel that he just needs a better defensive line to keep the linebackers off of him. I’m very skeptical however. I don’t think he was deserving of a Pro Bowl at all this season. After 3 years, he just doesn’t seem to be anything more capable that an athletic JAG at MLB. Very few impact plays over his first 3 seasons. Hopefully I’m wrong - because we don’t really have a choice next season. He’ll be there, but I’m not very optimistic that he’ll suddenly become a different player. He’s not very good IMO

True! But Shady is set for life. I know he was very much concerned about his legacy and how he’ll be remembered. He badly wanted to get his first victory against Jacksonville in 2017. These 2 Super Bowl rings kind of have an asterisk next to them and it can’t sit well with him. It would be like calling Bernie Kosar “a Super Bowl winning QB”

I think the difference was Tampa’s defensive line and linebackers, but I do think that the running game and the screen game helped open things up for sure

What I learned from last night’s game is that along with a better running game, it would help Josh and the offense to involve the running backs more in the passing game to beat the blitz. When KC was coming after Brady, he moved the ball with short passes to Fournette.

We all remember Shady from his time in Buffalo and it has to be killing him inside to know that he has 2 rings but didn’t really contribute much to winning either of them. I’m sure he’ll take them. They won’t hurt his legacy, but his SB victories are very much an afterthought

I watched it a few times and I feel the same way. It wasn’t the most obvious example of DPI but also not the most egregious. The problem for a lot of Chiefs fans is that those calls didn’t get penalized in the first 2 post season games. Not sure why. To be honest, I’d be pissed too if I were a Chiefs fan

that’s what I’m hoping for too. The only problem is that the Bills don’t have a ton of cap space even with the best projection. So Beane is going to have to get rid of a few players and then be really smart with the limited funds the team. Either way, I have confidence as well

Isn’t David 22 years old?

Ok that’s what I would believe as well. I thought your last response made it sounds like they were ok with drinking since he wouldn’t OD like his brother did.

I’m on the fence. He’s been decent at guard and I love the flexibility he provides. Plus everyone loves him. But he seemed to struggle at times against against good DT’s. Chris Jones pretty much had his way with Feliciano. It makes you wonder if Feliciano is going to be worth the $8M a season as some have projected him as.