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No, it’s mine. I ordered an Allen jersey before the loss to the Eagles. Every jersey I’ve ever gotten, that player flamed out within the next year. It’s 100% on me

That snap count for Oliver is embarrassing. How do they justify that?

I feel very aligned with you right now. Is this love?

You know what scares the ***** out of me? What if Allen wasn’t allow to run the ball within 10 yards of the goal line? I get that’s our reality and part of why he was drafted. But what would our record be if you took away those TD’s? Would Daboll have found us a way in still? Half of his also don’t seem to be scripted.

I would love to know how many drives we’ve killed on 3rd down when we only needed 5 yards, but took a shot down field. I can think of at least 4 of them. That’s playcalling

You know what I love about that offense? They were stuttering through 4 games, then made adjustments to utilize the talent on their team. What an unreal concept

I don’t think many of us are talking about the Browns anymore. You’re right about the kicking, but most of us are more worried about what this team is and what things are like going forward. Is this all we can expect from Allen and Daboll going forward?

Singletary’s YPA under center is surprising, but the frequency doesn’t. Unless I’m reading it wrong, it supports how predictable Dabolls playcalling is

I’m not saying Allen is Tyrod, but it brings up old feelings. After the Seattle game, I really thought Tyrod figured it out and was going to be the guy. He had all the tools, but was too timid to throw guys open or deep. That’s what made Allen so refreshing in his first year, doing those things. When Tyrod went to Cleveland and did the same things, it just confirmed that’s who is. Allen seems to have plateaued the past few weeks and lost whatever spark he had last year. I see it at the beginning of the year in 4th quarters and I see it on 1st and long, but that’s it. Either something happened, coaches are holding him back, or this is it for him. I don’t want to believe the third one but the thought is in there

I think he ran it once

damn it. Fixed

No doubt? I’ll take that bet? Loser deletes their account?

Lee's knocked us out of field goal range. I think there was a second one that did the same, can't remember.

First off, I want want our avatars to meet. Second, aren't getting anything from Oliver. I don't even know that I saw him out there today.

Today hurt. It was the most upset I've been over a game all season, win or loss. Knowing those two things, I probably shouldn't post this. But I'm pissed and human. Today's loss brings back all the old feelings of the past decade with blown leads, coaching changes, roster turnover, etc. Like all of you, I so desperately want to believe this team has turned a corner and we are on our way. Today, the past few weeks, the upcoming schedule, all make that tough to know. With that, I think I wanted to comment on 5 key things 1 - Allen - I wasn't a fan of drafting him. In the time since, I've grown to really like the kid. I like the way he presents himself off the field, on the field, and with the media. I like his skillset and genuinely believe he can do anything on the field. He had a bad day today and you could see that in the post game presser. He puts the entire loss on his shoulders and speaks to the things that we, as fans, complain about. Last year, he showed that he could throw the ball anywhere on the field, especially the deep ball. He made some dumb throws into coverage for INT's, but was a rookie. Here's where I am on him this year. Allen is a gunslinger. The way that he seems better on 1st and long than 3rd and short says something about him. I don't think you can magically forget how to hit a deep throw. I think he might be a bit oversensitive to his mistakes and either through coaching, or his own inner-monologue, he's afraid to be himself out there. I complained as much as the next guy about his cross-body throws into coverage that resulted in INT's, but now I'm afraid that he's losing the edge that made him explosive. I don't know which one it is, but he needs to be encouraged to let it fly. I think Allen can absolutely be the guy, but needs to put in situations that benefit his skill set. He's proven that he can play the short game, the long game, can scramble, avoid blitzes, and make game winning drives. He just hasn't been able to put it all together. I don't care if we lose the game, but let him just throw the ball 15+ yards down field the entire game. Stop being cute with him. Hell, let him run shotgun hurry up the entire game, but get it out. I'm afraid that he's regressing into a conservative player that he will never succeed as and he needs to be unleashed before it's too late for him. 2 - Daboll. I firmly believe that Daboll needs to be fired. I worry that McD isn't an offensive minded enough coach to really understand that side of the ball so he may not know quick enough where the real issue is. Daboll has never, and I mean never, succeeded as an offensive coordinator. His ranks have always been in the bottom half of the league. I think he's ruining Allen, not utilizing our weapons (8 carries for Singletary?!), and overall doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Does he call a total trash can game? No. But that doesn't excuse the entire body of work. My only fear for firing Daboll is Allen having to learn a new terminology and starting over again. I'd be okay promoting from within or finding someone who works a similar system. I genuinely believe the talent is there on this offense to be better than what we've seen. Do we need a genuine #1 still? Yes. But that's not why we are underperforming. 3 - Defensive Box - Outside of Edmunds and Milano, I'm nervous that we are going to blow up our front 7 over the next two years. Between expiring contracts, age, and performance, I don't want to see us put the focus back on that side of the ball again, where McD favors and we spend the first 2 years focusing. The amount of money we've spent on that part of the team is inexcusable for the result we are seeing. Oliver is showing bust potential (for as much as you can see in a first season). What was meant to be a strength of this team is getting worse each week and we only seem to generate solid pressure when sending extra guys. I don't know who has what gap assignment and who is playing contain, but the result is poor. 4 - Schedule - I hate I told you so's. I think you should be able to punch people in the face who imply it and then get a reward. Many have complained about our lack of media respect, but our most respectable win was against the Titans. We've been beat by all 3 teams with any semblance of talent. I'm not saying we are going to miss the playoffs. I don't know right now. But there's no reason for me to say with confidence that we will convincingly beat any team left on our schedule after today. We've only put one team away this whole season, and that's the Giants. We've been within one score up until that last 8 minutes in every game this season. Miami easily could have been a loss if Tre didn't bail us out. For those saying 6-3 is all that matters, that's true for your record when deciding who is in the playoffs. But how you win is an indicator of how your next games will go. 5. McD and Regime - I'M NOT FIRING McD or Beane. We are midway through year 3. Even if we finish 8-8 and miss the playoffs, I think they are safe for next year. However, the rest of this season and next season is going to be where we figure out if it all gets blown up again. And this is where I'm at in writing this. I shouldn't even be thinking about that possibility after a 6-2 start. But tell me you didn't think about it a little today or that it hasn't been creeping in. Let's be honest, the AFC sucks this year. The bottom dwellers will become more competitive. Many of our wins won't be as easy next year. To stand by your GM and Coach, you need to know you will be competitive, you have areas on offense or defense with a winning identity, and you show progress towards getting better. Our offense isn't showing any progression at all. Our defensive front 4 is regressing. Our stars are still performing like stars and we have a lot of question marks. Mcd and Beane have 23 more games to show us the result of the process. We've seen glimpses and understand the goal. Will we see the finished product?

I was referring to the result of that particular play being a one off. My point is overall going forward if the play is going to continue to gain steam.

Show the snapshot from before he decides to make the throw. It's only a second sooner, but that can make a difference. Regardless, Allen said in the post game that he audibles the fade but missed the throw. I don't think Allen even look at another receiver after he snapped it.

Brown and Beasley are still on pace for one of their better overall seasons.

What makes you think he would have made those?

The loss was a team effort. It never should have come down to Hausch, but we throw fades to our 5'10 receivers on 3rd and 4 when we haven't hit on that play all season

We dropped two INT's today. If we generated more of a pass rush, you'd see more errant throws by opposing QB's

His name is mentioned way too much in penalties and he doesn't offset it with positive plays If he fired McD tomorrow, my wrist would be in so much pain later. From all the high fives I'd give McD

I get that this situation is a one off, but if this play is going to keep happening in the league, I think it should be evaluated from an officiating standpoint. By what he know to be a pass, that wasn't a pass. I don't know if it's worth the time to change the rules for, again a one off, but what's the difference between a forward hand off and this play? It was underhand. You could argue he more dropped that ball than pushed it. If you'd never seen the play before, you could argue it was a bad hand off. You can't officiate intent, but that wasn't meant to be a pass. Either way, I fully understand based upon the rules why it was ruled an incomplete pass. For the intent of the play, should have been a fumble.

You aren't wrong. But it still doesn't excuse him to miss both kicks. He's not right this season. You have to be able to expect 80% from your highly paid kicker 45 yards or less