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No, because the Packers have beaten quality teams and played complete games on offense and defense. That's the difference that you aren't seeing.

I want to see them move to London just because I want to see how it works out for the league. How will FA's view signing to play there. How much of a fit will west coast teams throw having to make that trip? But overall, how will England embrace having a team and what would it do for overall viewership? I think it's something they should try in Mexico as well.

I'd like to more about him being inactive this game. Was it for his special teams?

I'm listening...

Touche. The any better was more in reference to it being 3 straight games, but I'll give it to you. I agree that we should beat the Browns based on what they are actually doing and I would view it as an upset to lose. I'm merely saying that if you just look at the rosters and overall body of work, it could be seen as a trap game.

Please. It'd be my new favorite porn

How dare you come at me with multi-syllabic words!

You are 100% right and it's something I've honestly thought about as I wrote this. It's a struggle sometimes because I'm allowing myself to start to treat the team like a playoff caliber unit. The negatives, as I try to own up front as negatives, is coming from a mindset of what worries me going forward and as I evaluate a 6-2 team. In recent years, it's almost been easier to be positive because expectations were so low. I didn't think about anything beyond the game we were playing. What's also funny to me is that a lot of my Allen comments could easily have his name removed and replaced with Tyrod from a final result. But saying that will get me killed. While they are very different QB's and Allen has way more potential, the end result is similar lately. But yes, I understand your point and am trying to find the common ground. When we made the playoffs two years ago, I didn't care that we lost to the Jags. I was just so happy we made it finally. This year, I'd feel pissed if we got bounced in the first round. I'd be moreso pissed if it's because of the things I mentioned in the first 3 points because it's something we are seeing happen every week now and aren't adjusting. Overall, it's a testament to the raised expectations McD has created for me while also trying not to buy into previous Bills results. I honestly appreciate your post and I hope that somewhat adds some light to where I'm coming from. Remember, we are both coming from the same place of wanting to see a winning team. Also, this

Read what I wrote. I talked about why I thought they had issues when they did regarding stopping the run. I didn't talk about the entire game. I was only referring to those plays were we got gashed. I also commented that it was different when Oliver was on the field in the first half as well as the Skins changing things up to more outside runs in the second half. The point was about just the plays gashed up the middle and a point of concern in recent weeks.

I don't blame anyone for being timid to embrace the happy times. The BBFS is real and earned. I do believe we will make the playoffs, but don't know how we will far once we get there. I think it's more frustration than pessimism though. We know what these players are capable on both sides of the ball. So seeing them either coached or play down to such a low level, brings out the angry thoughts.

Nor does it make the statements any less true.

I don't even know why I write the opening statement anymore...

First off, how dare you mimmick what I rightfully stole first! Second, I'm going to hit each point by point: 1 - Until the Bills equally play up to an opponents level this season, it's a valid argument. 2 - We've imploded not once, but twice in the last decade. You can't expect people to forget. We do play a far easier schedule this year and it should still be considered an upset if we don't. 3 - As I just talked about in my post-game, I will continue to bash him. It's not just fans either at this point, it's columnists and the commentators in the game. He doesn't know how to string together a full game that keeps the offense in rhythm. He acts like he's calling plays for a team that can overcome major setbacks. Look at his career resume, he's never shown that he can eventually string it together. He is now exactly who he's been everywhere he's played. He always played with a defense that could bail him out with superior talent. 4 - If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. 5 - Agreed - He's playing the hand Daboll is dealing him. 6 - Disagree to a point. I've said this before that games aren't cheap and the NFL is a product. When you pay that much and are advertised a certain result, it's okay to show your displeasure when you don't get it. If you spent $300 on something based on an advertisement and didn't get it, would you be all sunshine and rainbows when returning it? Go Bills B word! ?

Shhhhh. I can't afford an IP check by the MODS

Another week, another game the Bills are looking for a statement win against an inferior team. You could tell the Bills were trying something different on offense, which was something many here have been clamoring for. Like most Sunday's around 5pm, it was a mixed result bag. I'm going to apologize now because, while we won and I'm very happy to be 6-2, half of these points are going to be pretty negative. I'm appreciating our win, but there are things we need to fix heading into the second half or else teams with more than 2 wins are going to give us bigger fits later on. 1 - Oliver - I'm going to get this out of the way now. I wasn't a fan of drafting the kid, so I have some bias here. I wanted them to trade up and take Hock or the other Allen. I may still end up wrong, but today was not a great day for Oliver. I look forward to seeing what his final snap count was today, but he was missing on many key passing downs. Moreso, on the one drive where Peterson really gashed us, that was the only drive I saw where he was in there for highest percentage of snaps. On one play in particular, I watched Oliver not only get beat by a single offense lineman, I saw him get pushed backwards off his feet by more than a few yards. I saw zero impact from our #9 overall pick today. The fact that he wasn't in the game on multiple 3rd and long plays also makes me wonder if the coaches are seeing something too. 2 - Rush Defense - Again, I'm a fan on this board like many of you. I can only write and interpret what I see based upon my limited NFL knowledge as a fan. From what I can see, our linebackers are attacking the line way too quickly on rushing plays and aren't waiting to see where the play is developing towards. This makes me think our issue stopping the run is more of a coaching issue than players. We've all seen Milano and Edmunds blow up rushing plays, so I don't think they magically forget what they are doing. On the majority of the big rushes, the linebackers are at the line of scrimmage, getting consumed by blocks before Peterson gets there. That allows him to see where the gaps will be and hit them. We are hitting the line so quickly that we aren't creating a second level, so once he gets past the line, he's free for 10+ yards. My analysis could be wrong, but I think this is what McD is talking about when referring to technique issues. They defensive line aren't taking up their gaps allowing our LB's to get swallowed up in blocks. Either way, it's not 3 weeks in a row and doesn't seem to be getting any better. We were lucky that the Redskins switched up what was working for them with toss plays. 3 - Daboll - Every season I seem to have a public enemy number one. While Oliver is up there on my list considering his draft status, he gets the pass being a rookie. I don't know if Daboll doesn't understand what works for him or if he has a Martz complex where he feels like he has to prove how smart he is. Allen is more comfortable, and we rush better, out of the shotgun. Our jet sweep plays come from that, which creates mis-direction, and again, gives Allen another option. Today, when we moved right down field in the first half consistently, we did it mainly out of that core formation. Then we get to 1st and goal from the 2. Daboll, in all his infinite wisdom, tries to cute plays and we end up 3rd and long; eventually settling for a field goal. Then, we have multiple short yardage plays where we prove time and time again that we can't execute. While I do appreciate giving Motor the start today and getting him way more involved in the offense, we also took Beasley and Brown completely out of the offense. And this brings me to my overall issue with Daboll. The man doesn't seem capable of doing more than one thing at a time. We are either a passing team or a rushing team. He can't keep it going and then, when things are looking good, he out thinks himself and sets the entire offense back, destroying any rhythm they have. I'm sorry, but Daboll hasn't performed in any job he's had and I'm not seeing the issues with the players for once. 4 - "I don't know what to say, really. Three minutes to the biggest battle of our professional lives all comes down to today. Either we heal as a team, or we are going to crumble. Inch by inch. Play by play. Until we're finished. We are in hell right now, gentlemen. Believe me. And we can stay here and get the s--- kicked out of us, or we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb out of hell. One inch at a time." 5 - Defensive line - At what point is the most expensive unit on our team going to step up and earn their paychecks this season? I'm not going to do the math, but Murphy (Paid), Star (Paid) Oliver (1st), Shaq (1st), and Hughes (Paid) going to do anything in regards to a pass rush? Phillips, the only guy not really getting paid (Yet) is the only one getting sacks. Hughes gets a bit of a pass from me because he was getting absolutely mugged out there. There was one hold on Hughes that was so bad it's hard to not buy into the theory that he pissed off the refs with his tunnel incident. Regardless, I'm sure there will be some that say our scheme plays more of a containment scheme, and I'll give you that Murphy does a good job of tracking down screens or flip passes, but for the money and emphasis that McD puts on that part of the team, we aren't seeing a return on investment. Against a rookie QB making his first start, this line should have been giving him fits, but our pressure only came when McD sent help. Which.... 6 - Blitzes - Credit to Frazier or McD, whoever was calling the plays this week, for sending extra pressure this week. The Bills started doing it a little more last week, but today showed it almost every other series. Unfortunately, it didn't translate to a lot of sacks as the Redskins did a good job picking it up. It paid off big at the end with Tre getting a key sack when it was still a one score game. There were a few other plays where Haskins barely got the ball out in time as we sent in guys from our secondary. I'm curious to know if this is more McD or Frazier, but I'm happy to see at least one side of the coaching tree adjust to how the games are playing out. 7 - PI Calls - Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not PI if the defender initiates the tackle on the receiver before the ball gets to the receiver and also makes zero attempt to make a play for the ball? I really want to know more about how that play wasn't considered PI and why McD didn't challenge it. My assumption is the almost non-existent overturned PI calls that occurred this season. That would have been a huge play for us and put the game back to a two score game. On a side note, there was a challenge PI call in the Steelers/Colts game where they called PI, but didn't overturn it on the challenge. The ball was overthrown to the receiver by at least 10 yards, but they upheld the call on the field. Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but it's hard to not wonder if the refs are collectively rebelling against the rule change to allow their judgement calls be challenged. 8 - Special Teams - Two weeks in a row where the winds are affecting the football. I'd be curious to hear from someone at the game about the one punt by Bojo that barely traveled 20 yards. The commentators called it a shank, but the Skins punter executed the same type of punt from roughly the same spot on the field. Other than that, Bojo was solid today and absolutely crushed one into the wind. I was shocked at how far he was able to push. I'd also be curious to see if reporters asked Roberts about his return deep into Redskins territory as he fielded it 5 yards into the endzone, but then took off. I feel like he had to see something to make that decision. But lastly, let's give credit to Foster for absolutely destroying the Redskins second kickoff return. There was a lot of articles last year about how Foster really opened up to his role on special teams and made his impact felt today. 9 - Motor - Let's jump right into our offensive MVP on the day. I was genuinely impressed by how quickly the kid can hit full speed after a cut. You can see him survey the field, be patient, and then burst off a cut into the open field. His screen pass was a beautiful run and his shiftiness makes defenders miss. It's almost frustrating how long it took Daboll to get him involved in the game like this. One of the biggest knocks on the kid was his inability to pass block. Not today my friends. Singletary held up well in blocks and also did a great job of releasing to give Allen an escape valve. I really liked what we saw from Singletary today was happy he was able to get into the endzone at the close of the game. This is the game that let's you know why the Bills were okay releasing Shady. Side note - It's comical to listen to the halftime show when Strahan and Long are talking about Bills players they clearly don't pay attention to. Long compared him to Shady and Strahan compared him to Gore. First off, you could see how annoyed Long was to have Strahan contradict him. Second, how different a comparison can you possibly have. Personally, I see him as a hybrid of Bell and Shady. 10 - Allen - Another week where the box score wasn't great and another week where Allen fumbles the ball on the wrong side of the field. But, like last week, I'm going to say that Allen is overall playing better as a quarterback. Yes, he needs to stop fumbling the ball as it's not always going to get recovered by the Bills but Daboll also needs to stop calling those plays. If Allen is going to rush, let it be his decision when the field opens up. Besides, that, Allen was fairly accurate to me in a game where he wasn't asked to do a lot. His bullet pass to Brown down the sideline while scrambling to avoid multiple sacks on 3rd and long at the end of the game was a thing of beauty. It was a bullet and right on the money. He had a similar play earlier in the game that Brown dropped. It's so impressive to me how many defenders he makes miss a sack with his elusiveness. Overall, I don't think any QB was throwing for 250+ yards in this game. His one deep ball to Foster was down the sideline finally and wasn't as bad as his recent deep balls. I'm not an Allen apologist (as seen in my first quarter analysis of Allen), but I see what he is being given to work with and see overall solid execution. I think Allen's limitations come from a timidness that Daboll has instilled within him. 6-2 for the first time since 1993 is a good feeling. Now we are on the road to a Browns team that should be much better than they are on paper. I think Hunt is able to return for this game which gives them a strong 1-2 punch with Chubb. Bills need to act like a 6-2 team and put them away on the road before heading back to play the Dolphins, who was not an easy win. Go Bills!

Don't confuse ineptitude with tanking. I just don't believe that players aren't out there trying to lose games. They can come out flat, execute poorly, or get smacked around. But you can't convince me that any NFL player walks onto the field with the intention to tank. They are also playing for their next contract and jobs.

This is why you can’t tank in the NFL. No matter how much the owner may want it and the coach might understand it, you’ll never get players to do it.

One of the main reasons I’m on the Cooper train is his overall physical size. Many of the players listed a shorter, speed guys. I think we need someone who’s big and can straighten up out muscle a defender. Cooper has that and speed. He would compliment Brown and Beasley very well in my opinion. Someone that, when all else fails, covered or not, you throw it him and he has a chance.

Or would you rather grab a sure thing like Cooper, and then use that pick on a RT, DE, or OLB which is also a need. I’d like to see them grab 2 needs in FA and draft the rest. Our luck drafting receivers has not been great.

All great. All will never see Free Agency. That’s why, if this happens, we have to jump on it.

But can they get them both done before FA? Seems like both players want to be paid top 3. While the Cowboys can afford it, it may take a while for the players to come down and understand their true value. One, or both, might want to see what offers they get from other teams. It can only help their leverage

Now you’re getting it

I prefer when he kisses down

He was killing it in Oakland until Carr got hurt. Then, in Dallas, he’s been awesome. I’d pay him Michael Thomas money and not look back.

I honestly wouldn’t care if we overpaid for Cooper. We have the money and then some. It’s why we did all of this. It would be the biggest FA signing in as long as I can remember. It would be bigger to me than Super Mario. I would lose my *****