BigBillsFan

I just watched a bunch of games with him over the past 3 days. I'm not impressed at all. I wish I was. His arm literally has no strength.

Of course they are roughly the same thing. "He goes to the store all the time" (hyperbole) vs. "He goes there tons of the time" "Great players come from LSU all the time." vs "Tons of the time great players come from LSU" They're just collaquialisms and people know what you mean when you say "all the time". People are accused of things "all of the time". And to the idea that what school they go to and what they produce are not weak arguments at all. They just aren't guaranteed rates of performance in the pros. Most of the best pros in the league had the best production from the best schools.

Ahhhh here: "All the time" and "tons of QBs" is roughly the same thing. I mean what you're doing is essentially taking people's excitement over a pick as purely an anti-Allen crusade that we need Fromm to start immediately. I'm not the biggest fan of Josh and I like the Fromm pick, but I don't think he's a starter in the NFL. He might be good as a relief pitcher with a good defense, nothing else.

When do you know the Bills are massively improving? When fans are complaining of just "good picks" to a "good team". Certainly beats reaches and basically hating the front office every year. Wake-up, these are great picks with great value. The 1st 3 rounds are going to equal 3 contributors this year and beyond. That's INSANE value to get 3 contributors in year 1, with a Pro-Bowl level WR.

Awesome pick and great addition to team. Love this pick!!!

This turned out right in the same draft slot. Good prophecy!!!

Top 3 worst: Mike Williams, Whitner, and Maybin Top 3 best by value: Kyle Williams, Jabrari Greer and Jason Peters. Runner up: Tre White

You know I actually reviewed the video after you posted this. He does not tip the pass whatsoever. The trajectory never changes. I watched it 5 times. This is, as you put it, confirmation bias.

At least you have a good sense of humor. I appreciate that. But you see I was pointing out the hypocrisy of using labels. You can't claim people are "malcontents" without proof. If a person says Allen struggles, he's not a complete QB, they aren't malcontents. That's just a lazy weak way of insulting people. And everything you accuse "malcontents" of I could accuse you part of the Little Miss Sunshine Group (formerly called the Village People) that does that tribal pow-pow around arguments rather than dispel them. They have their rituals as one shaman uses mind-reading, then the witch doctor curses them as wanting Allen to fail, and then the proud scouts scream HATER! I mean it's dumb. Imagine if a "malcontent" inverted that logic the same way. "What you don't like good QB play? You want the Bills to fail!!!" "You hate the Bills because you love Josh Allen!" "The reason why Allen apologists act out in such scared, fearful ways is deep down inside they are afraid the Bills aren't ready to play teams above .500 and have a decent chance so instead they unleash their venom on the objective fans" This is lazy and dishonest arguing. It's what I expect from my 8 yr old. And then when they are all done they just say "Just sayin" which is equivalent of flipping someone off and then getting offended if there is a reply.

I think the 139 yards on 25 attempts with 1 TD and 1 INT is what we focus on. Being a top QB means having a good game against better defenses. If the new measure is the other defense was really good so therefore he's fine is not a standard at all. On the other hand all QBs have bad games 1-2 times a year and everyone should have that attitude. But he played horrible that game. The only reason we won that game is Hodges threw 4 INTs and played like garbage. If you think the score would have been 17-10 with Ben in there then you realize they couldn't score with inferior talent at QB and it's more of a reflection of turn-overs than anything Allen did. Pitt scored 10 points 3 games in a row. They were garbage on offense. You should have had a 900 number in the 90's and hung out with Ms. Cleo as mind-reading is certainly a trait of people who blindly defend poor play. I notice the same traits as the Allen is a divinity crowd liking each other posts, but you seem to miss that part in your Vulcan mind-meld with us upset, nervous fearful "she's going to leave me" fans. Live long and prosper.

If the goalpost is to survive through a great defensive performance against an undrafted QB the world is upside down. Do you think he gets the "W" (as if QBs get Ws) if Big Ben played? Let me remind you he was 13-25 for 139 yards and Duck threw 4 INTs. If that's the goalpost than he's not a competent starter.

He played an excellent game in Dallas, his best as a complete QB, but are you serious with the Steelers? He was horrible. He battled a scrub QB and they both couldn't score and he looked horrible. What part of the Pittsburgh screamed top 20 let alone top 10?

I think the article was pretty accurate. Until Josh has one of "those games" that just WOW you as a QB, and I mean the whole game, then he's a good fit at 23. You can argue all of the guys above had one of those except Minshew. Allen's best game against Dallas is better than Minshew's best, not merely in yards which Minshew has the advantage, but in field generalship. I mean he's fairly realistic in saying he wants to be proven wrong and get a L, so look he's not saying "no" he's saying wait and see. How is that unreasonable?

May I ask the question is IF CBs are worth that kind of money to a team? Is there any evidence the best CB helps a team win that much? A thanks to any poster who might know.

People will complain we don't have a 1st while watching the draft after seeing a player slip claiming them to be the Missing Link to a championship.

That's an interesting, but true statement. If Allen can pull of Jones's #s as a passer that would be unbelievably great. I would still say that bar is maybe too high IMO. If Jones started the whole season he would have ended up with over 4,000 yards and over 30-32 TDs thrown. He only started 12 games. I don't expect Allen to throw for 4k yards and 30 TDs, I'm more than happy to see him 3500 and 25-28 TDs thrown and just grow situationally because he'll rush for more yards than Jones and change some of the layout whereas Jones is more of a pure passer. I expect Jones, if healthy, to hit 4k to 4200 yards and 30 TDs which is unreasonable for Josh to hit.

***Reading Is Fundamental Note*** He just said he only wanted Allen to be better. Where in the world did he state he wanted Allen not to succeed?

I consider Drew Brees one of the best 3 QBs of all time when you factor in more than the stats but longevity as well. For 3 years his team went 7-9. In 2016 when they went 7-9 he threw for 5208 yard, 70 completion rate, a rating over 100 with 37 TD to 15 Ints. Matt Stafford in 2019 played all-world before he got injured. All a QB can do is be a facilitator to help the team win. He doesn't play special teams or defense. He doesn't coach. Shawn King, Sanchez, Tebow, Trubisky, et al. have all "lead" their teams to playoffs and wins in the playoffs. QB "wins" just means he gave his team the best chance on offense to perform. That's it. No QB can win a game.

I see so you are counting the invariable things. That makes a lot of sense actually, and while I disagree with you overall (only because I thought Jackson could barely throw the ball last year) I can see why you believe that based on how much Allen did improve based on decision making which did grow by leaps and bounds. Good insights brother.

Jackson went from 58 to 66% in completion percentage. Yards per game went up. Yards per attempt differential was higher than Allen. In almost every passing category he improved over the other guys. His TDs per game throwing drastically improved. Same with TD% Rushing: Yards per carry and yards per game went up, Allen's went down. This isn't close. Jackson by far is the most improved runner and passer. Allen did improve but Jackson wins by a landslide.

Warren was worlds better from the pocket and played a long career. Jackson just produces more in his system because he's an amazing athlete. I can't imagine Jackson playing 4-5 years at this level. 2-3 if he's lucky. The dude was getting body-slammed from the front 7 of D's IF they got a hold of him. I've seen him picked up and slammed hard a few times with no flag.

Because in the absence of facts and history they can only use ridicule. No one is saying Allen can't improve, but you are right there are historical elements which point to issues. Fixable? Let's find out. I think a lot can be fixed if you make him a 2 read QB so his mechanics are simplified for 2 throws per snap. My reasoning is simple: his athleticism would make it so he's more of a runner and uses that dimension to force a spy on him and with the right running game the field opens up like it does for Jackson. He's not Jackson, but he has the same benefits he could utilize. I think his last game in 2018 in Miami was the perfect combo for him.

You do realize that 72% on short passes he's still 28th in the league right? 28th out of 29 is not very good. Edit... I just realized Brees throws 72% or higher the last 3 seasons in a row for all of his passes.

Watching Singletary in the 1st half of the Titans game. He looked like Thurman. Dion Dawkins touchdown against the Cheats. The 40 yard bomb to Knox in the NE game at the goal line. Vrabel wasting the clock against the Cheats and Belichick going ape crap. Watching Brady throw that final pass as an interception. Pure nirvana. Poyer's TD on the Offside kick.