BigBillsFan

You'll wait in vain for that answer. It's "cause" dontcha know?

You're right. We shouldn't honor the freedoms we're given where men fought and died for them to watch a game that has no real meaning so a bunch of pampered athletes can lecture the nation how to be American. Honor The Mob or Perish When they get their way, and when we have meaningful conversations do you think they will stop? Remember this is not about having a "conversation", because if you try you're tone-deaf, lack awareness. This is a monologue, the same monologue you have to be lectured to and if you think it ends with a flag or an anthem you're wrong. This is the conversation Brees wants, and it's funny because those who say they want one say to shut the F up. A QB honoring our country is racially divisive? Explain. I want to hear the "conversation" or should he shut up and pay homage to the mob? You said it was about shutting the F up, but guess what? He was told to shut the F up publicly. Irony... I guess you don't understand what you are accusing me of is exactly what is being done to him. He expressed his opinion and now he's being pressured to shut up. Or are you really saying I shouldn't express mine? I'm confused because anyone who accuses you of not liking "freedom of expression" is saying they don't like yours either.

Why is it "tone deaf" to say what you feel about the country on a topic that isn't proven to be racial at all yet? Why can't a man speak without it going through a prism? I've been racially profiled, accused of drug dealing, etc.. Never in my life have I thought a man can't say what he believes to be true today, yesterday or tomorrow.

It's a sad day when a man says he wants to honor his flag and country and loves the national anthem and he's labeled a bigot, ill-timed, racist, and weak and then players tell him to shut the F up. Only 1 voice should count, only one sentiment should be in the air. Any deviations in orthodoxy will make you hated, and the media and social media will sick it's mob on you to conform or apologize or lose your sponsors because you know they will attack your living. Leadership is doing and saying what other people AREN'T doing because it's true. Leadership is not following the mob.

"These people" meaning the people rioting. The people who never built a building, a business, a family. Those people. The vast majority of people I see. So white America is out killing black people because they are black? Wow, and with a name like Logic you missed that course. Prove to me he did that because he's black. Go ahead, try. What he did was despicable, but how do you know he did it on the basis of race? The same peaceful protesters who watch the cities burn and don't do everything they can to stop it? Look I don't care if they want to protest, I think they should. They have the right to be heard, but that's not what this is about. You can't begin to tell me the "protesters" want anything but their justice and to have everyone else shut their f----ing mouths. If you disagree you're racist and shouldn't hold a job or a be human.

When you see white America rioting, burning down neighborhoods, and beating and killing innocent people in the street to get their way and never charged for it I'll agree with you.

There is no evidence the officer or anyone involved did this on racial grounds. He should be charged, but give him due process if you truly love the country. The rioters and race baiters who say otherwise need to understand the nation was justifiably against the officer for what he did, I know I am. What's being asked for is a lynching, and worse destroying neighborhoods, hurting and killing people to get their way. These people didn't build this country but they know how to destroy it. But to punish a country and hold it's athletes and coaches hostage is ignorant and domineering. This isn't equality, this is a demand for dominance. If this country is so racist why live here?

What I can't hear you... I'm enjoying some great opera...

The difference, I believe, is that they were great at something that overwhelms their defects so people don't care. Farve was a great passer, Lamar is a great runner. Both did something well above average. Josh is a tweener right now: not great at passing and decent at running, but not elite. What Josh has that neither Farve or Lamar have is the talent to put both athleticism and arm together. The question is will he... and that is an open debate.

I don't know why anyone would write a negative comment when we see our own guys practicing and gelling together in the off-season. It's bizarre

QB ratings can be defective if you don't pass for much yardage or only complete 50% of passes and only score 17 points but you hit some long balls & some TDs with no interceptions. Mahomes had a 83 rating with 283 yards and 1 TD and 1 INT and a 65% completion % (keeps the sticks moving and keeps the defense off the field) in 2019 which to me is far better than a 100+ rating but multiple 3 and outs and a few long balls and only completed 50% of your passes. It's Rob Johnsoneque. Mahomes game with the 100+ rating against NE was a game where he passed for 4 TDs, 2 INTs, 352 yards, 64% completion rate and they scored 40 points in 2018. Now Chiefs lost in a shootout, but that 100+ rating is SUPER impressive. Not a 13 for 26 and 208 yards with only 17 points to show. That won't win many games.

Actually the last 3 games for Minshew were far better than Allen's final 3. A factor obvious is the defenses Allen faced were far better so you can't just say Minshew was better, that wouldn't be fair, in the same way you can't say Josh become more efficient against elite defenses. Allen's games against Baltimore, NE & Pitt were not efficient, they weren't good at all. Throwing for under 50% and never having a game over 208 yards just isn't good or efficient. Also, you can't compare a true rookie with a 2nd year pro who had a full training camp as the presumed starter. You can't re-make Allen a rookie just like Tyrod wasn't a rookie his 1st year with us. You've seen the NFL in practice and games for a year, that matters. Like I said, Minshew would have had over 4,000 yards and 26 TDs and 420 yards his rookie year. If Allen could do that I would have anointed him already. At this point neither are guaranteed long-term starters in this league. Neither have shown enough. The modern NFL means you need to throw for 4,200-4,500 yards with 28+ TDs thrown to be a good starter. Minshew was close to that, but still that could be the fact he's new in the league. Both are a work in progress. If Josh could have Minshew-like numbers with this defense the team is playoff bound and better. We have a better defense, better front office, better coaches, and deeper roster with better salary cap next to Jacksonville and our fans are the best. This has to be Josh's year with Diggs.

It's complete hysteria at this point and @Lieutenant Aldo Raine is spot on.

Jon Feliciano

They were not the same in total yards. Minshew still had more (but barely) and played in 2 less games. Allen only played the 1st drive in the 16th game and Minshew only started 12. Per game he had more yards rushing and passing. If Minshew started every game he would have had over 4,000 yards, over 420 yards rushing, and 26 TDs thrown. The point is he was more efficient of a passer. Agreed on the looking for the big payday in 2 years, but if he does well he'll deserve it. The same is true for Josh. He does well he'll deserve it as well. I hope he does.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I think the problem is you took out the last game purposefully because it would make some of your analysis void which you admit. I don't think you can estimate how motivated a professional team is, you have to give him credit for the game. It would be like you removing the Dallas game from Allen's analysis, it wouldn't make sense. Nevertheless Allen played poorly overall in the 2nd half of the season. Minshew, it could be argued, also played a poor 2nd half. But if you add the game you removed he still had a better rating than Allen as a rookie. He threw for more yards than Allen and if you compare the last 2 of the last 3 games Minshew is trending up, Allen down. Your next question is a fair one: why would I want a better version of Case Keenum over a guy (Allen) who appears to have the talent of unlimited potential. My reasoning is a guy who passes well from the pocket has a better chance of improving than the guy who has to improvise. One is more of a known quantity with more reps from the same position, while the other is instinctual leading to inconsistency. Also, I believe the guy who threw for over 5,000 yards in college in 1 season knows how to generate offense with his arm, Allen has never proven that. He's never hit 60% completions (which I admit isn't the biggest thing), but he doesn't throw for much yardage, even in the Dallas game he didn't. That tells me in the modern NFL in a shoot-out he's drawing the .22 and they are pulling out the 44 magnum. If we're in a game like the Chiefs against the Texans and we're down 28 in the 2nd quarter with this play we're never coming back. Mahomes had a ton of drops in that game, and they still did it.

Currently I don't sadly. I think he'll improve this year which will give fans hope, but his problem is with his nerves. He's admitted this, he said he likes getting hit early in a game to get his nerves down to earth. He's a good 4th quarter QB, but he's a poor 1-3rd quarter QB minus just a couple of games. He'll be like the hot girl at the bar who smiles at you but will never date you. My other reason is that the FO is great at depth and defense, but they have shown very little in the way of offensive prowess from picks to coaches. You don't pick a 7th overall pick and give him ZERO threats or a real QB to let him learn behind instead of Peterman as a rookie. Then in year 2 instead of having plays designed that take 3-4 seconds to develop they should have known he's one of the most blitzed QBs in the pocket and they gave him few relief valves hoping they could rely on his athleticism. I think he was a 3rd rounder picked in the 1st because of his Uncle Rico arm, smart, great leader and amazing athleticism. He's the perfect guy to sit on the bench for 2 yrs, come in during blow-outs and let him learn the game. The modern NFL isn't like the 90's where a guy could develop. The salary cap and social media changed everything.

I watched the 2nd half of the season where he only had 2 good games out of 7. That's what worries me. You might count the Broncos game, but that's it, 2 out of 7 and maybe 3 out of 7 if you think he was great during the Broncos game.

QBs win games maaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnn (I trust my inner Tebow and Sanchez) In the other thread where the one guy asked who they would want Minshew or Allen I took flak for saying Minshew, but yes I think he's going to be an above average QB in the NFL. I think he'll be a better version of Case Keenum.

That's only part of it. He had more yards for the entire season with 2 less games, better completion %, higher rating, and more TDs even with 2 less games than Allen.

Great interview and accurate analysis. Honestly I think it could be possible he has a massive jump, but I can't argue where he's wrong either.

Do we watch the same sport? Who is equal to Watson right now? Rivers? Tannehill? Same with Prescott? Wentz? Jones looks promising and Haskins looks horrible. Sorry, we're the worst by a country mile. There isn't one solid starter in the AFCE.

The QB makes the WR far more than a WR can make a QB. 1. A top flight WR is only responsible for 1,500 yards, a QB has to throw for 4,500 in a year to be considered elite 2. Watson to Hopkins was only 4 points better on QB ratings vs all other QBs who threw to him At the end of the day a dominant WR might still get 1,200 yards even with a crap QB, but overall the QB makes the overall offense lift higher. It's rare to see 2 amazing WRs on the same team. Most of the yards from the QB are not from the #1 WR, only 30-40%. I don't think Diggs won't make Allen much better, it will really be on Allen improving. One more thing to consider is we still don't have that 50/50 throw'em up receiver Allen needs to bail him out of plays. I was hoping it was Knox but that's a far-fetched idea until he can catch.

What Lamar did is not relevant. I don't know how Lamar playing poorly is any measure on Allen. I only saw 1 blatant drop by Knox, the drop by Beasley would have been hard to catch, his arms were fully outstretched. Most of the throws were badly missed to wide open receivers who had 1-2 steps on their defenders and they were overthrown.

I guess you didn't watch the game. In the 1st half Allen couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.