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I saw a good video on it somewhere but can’t find it now of course lol. There’s a lot more danger underneath if your accuracy isn’t quite there compared to overthrowing guys deep too which seemed to be his common miss.

Idk much about this guy but it seems like he’s got a high ceiling which is all you could ask for in the late third.

Could be wishful thinking but I think the elbow injury really hurt his touch/accuracy on the underneath stuff. Also like you touched on its pretty tough to string a 10+ play drive together with the underneath throws/checkdowns when the probability of a holding penalty/sack blowing up the whole drive is super high with the offensive line we were trotting out there

It’s honestly pretty crazy how much production we got on offense with a qb with a bum elbow and a couple big time weak links on the offensive line unfortunately it caught up with us in the playoffs

Not that I completely agree with op but it is at the very least ‘strange’ lol

True lol but he was still a heck of a lot closer to the worst guard in the league than the best 😂

This OL pick reminds me of how funny it is that Rodger saffolds last game played in his career may be the pro bowl 😂. Good enough to make the pro bowl but not any nfl roster in the following year lol

Isn’t it nick Bolton and he’s good haha. Point made though…they’ve won championships with some legitimate scrubs on defense

The afc east offensive lines are an absolute mess lol it’s legitimately crazy for three teams to be so highly touted yet not do too much to address the same massive issue lol

The dude can and will line up at any wr position…I keep reading ‘josh Allen only throws to wide receivers’ and Kincaid definitely qualifies as that lol he’s not really a true tight end…he’s a lot closer to a big target wr2/wr3

Good player but idk if that’s a position of need for them really or even a good fit…he’s also much better at zone than man and plays mostly outside. I guess we might see a big schematic shift under fangio They need oline help badly…whoever sorts their offensive line mess out between the bills jets and dolphins have a huge advantage winning the division

Could be a great pick by both the raiders and the bills lol i just don’t see how Mayer could possibly be seen as the better pick for buffalo based on what the bills were looking for/already have.

To be fair Rousseau and cook still have the opportunity to be absolute beasts. They were both trending upwards last season for sure. cook pretty much wrestled the starting job away from singletary and made him expendable…I think calling him a role player is a bit underselling it. book has probably been written on Ed oliver though…he seems to be destined to be a pretty good dt but nothing special

I feel like the only alternative was to trade back there and we would not really have a chance at a high impact offensive player

The name drops are kind of skewing the debate a bit lol I feel like the question is would you rather have a TE that’s an excellent pass catcher/route runner and an ok blocker vs a TE that’s a good pass catcher and good blocker. For this bills roster and how it sounds like the bills are going to use him, pass catching is vastly more important than blocking. Gronk was a freak that could do it all like you said and his only hangup was staying healthy. So gesicki style vs Gronk style is hugely misleading. the scheme change Miami made under McDaniel didn’t really suit gesicki but that doesn’t mean a player of that mold can’t be the focal point of a different offensive scheme

A better mike gesicki on a rookie contract is probably exactly what a team like the bills is looking for who have well documented red zone/short yardage struggles. I don’t think Mayer was even on the bills/cowboys radar. the only possibly way someone could even begin to see Mayer as better is factoring in his blocking which is not very important for the role Kincaid was drafted to fill Who’s better overall isn’t even really an important question as teams can both draft a TE or wr and use them in vastly different ways

Haha yea I thought I misread what he was saying at first …like if he ends up going completely against the grain saying Kincaid isn’t going to be as good as Mayer before even knowing the situation Mayer lands in and is right…that would be something to add to the resume. but breece hall being better than James cook was not a very bold prediction at the time and on top of that it may not even be correct going forward lol cook was on fire down the stretch and breece hall is now coming back from a serious injury

a bit of a different scenario there though…breece hall was gone for like 30 picks when the bills picked cook and he certainly hasn’t outperformed cook so far so it was not worthy of a trade up by any means at this way too early point to be evaluating lol not to mention you were with consensus of the nfl gms and analysts on hall vs cook but you are against them in Kincaid vs Mayer so we’ll see 😁 very different situation

Idk the full story here lol. Were you saying breece hall would be better than James cook last year or something? James cook went off down the stretch last year I’d say the jury is still very much out on that one. those guys went 1-2 in the ypc metric funny enough

That genuinely perplexes me haha cuz Mayer is a lot closer to ‘another Dawson Knox’ than Kincaid is as far as prototype goes. I’m curious if we would’ve even scooped up Mayer if Kincaid was gone…I’m thinking no but we’ll never truly know cowboys were in that exact position and didn’t pull the trigger

I don’t see how knox is really limiting Kincaids opportunities at all…I think he’s easily going over 500. Knox got pigeon holed into a blocking role a lot…Kincaid won’t be used that way. seems like we were hoping to be able to run a lot more 12 personnel with oj Howard last year but he just didn’t work out

They are nowhere near the same type of player before even having to get into a talent discussion lol and even if they did just draft a better Dawson Knox…so what? We were a mess in the red zone and on 3rd/4th and shorts all year last year. I don’t think a 5’9” wr is anything close to what we needed.

Jets and patriots seem to be screwing themselves potentially lol. Someone like josh Allen or mahomes can overcome a shoddy offensive line but I don’t think pushing 40 years old aaron rodgers has got the juice…they’re not really loaded up on offensive skill position talent either. Aarons pretty much in the same situation on the offensive side that he was in the first half of the season with gb last year before they got their OL sorted. Better defense but also more competitive teams to deal with. really weird first pick for the jets Pats made a pretty good pick but clearly the Steelers saw something with Gonzalez that they didn’t like so I guess we’re gonna see who’s right. They’re still playing catch-up from a dreadful round 1 last year though

The Beasley comparison makes sense to me given the context…if we go 12 personnel with Knox/Kincaid I don’t think you could possibly defend us in a base defense without creating a huge mismatch. that could help out the run game a lot as well as knox , who has been getting pooped on in this thread 😂, is a pretty solid run blocker

The takes are wild lol…bills had wildly inconsistent slot receiver play and struggled mightily in the red zone. I know a position group that could kill both those birds with one stone…..lol I think people are just very close minded with what responsibilities different positions have. Sure he’s a TE on paper but they could line him up at any wr position based on his skill set.