FireChans

Honestly, I highly recommend starting from page 1 and reading this thread. Highly entertaining. Not as good as the "Diggs cryptic tweets" thread but it's up there. Gold star for this one on page 2. This is knowing ball, the post.

The 2017 team wasn't the 15 or 16 teams. They intentionally traded their talent away for picks. They had the 29th ranked offense in the NFL. The 22nd ranked defense. Both units were 23rd in points per drive. They were negative in point differential at -57 (worst of all playoff teams). They were, quite literally, god awful and easily the worst playoff team that year.

Swap WR groups even with the Nico injury and the Bills win by 30 imo.

A QB breaking their hand week 1 hurdling defenders, then bruising or breaking ribs week 4 on the worst trick play of all time, then smacking their head and playing with a "chest" injury is looking "off." I don't think this is a mystery.

Very glad he found Allen. A total feather in his cap. Just like McD getting that god awful team to the playoffs in 2017. Thanks for the memories. We can send them both rings when we win one. Speaking of guys who got fired after finding a franchise QB and doing their damnedest to ruin him.... https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=ryan+grigson

Then they can both lockstep to the bread line!

You fire both, let the new regime get at pick 19 which will probably be the best pick we get in the Josh Allen era, and go from there. Beane wasn't in charge at Carolina, I never said he was. He was a part of that org. That org consistently failed to put WR talent around Cam and asked him to be Superman far too often. They loved big slows at WR and overspent constantly on DL. That sounds awful familiar. Like I said, there's no evidence that Beane is this forward thinker that was disagreeing with Gettleman and now McD. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. You won't offer any evidence because you can't. The only reason you can believe that is because you want to pin everything on McD. It's far far far far more likely that he is cut from the same cloth as his contemporaries from Carolina and is following that playbook here because that's where he cut his football teeth and what he actually believes. This is inarguable. There's a reason McD hired him as the GM in the first place. I don't think it was because Beane had vastly different team-building ideas. That would make no sense. Both are the wrong fit, both were a part of the regime than ruined Cam and are now actively ruining Josh running the same playbook. It's ova, show them the door. Also, Ryan Grigson. Let me know when you want to address that.

There is exactly zero evidence that Beane is being put in chokehold by McDermott to fail at WR. The FO's Beane was a part of in Carolina also failed at WR. Cam won MVP throwing to Tedd Ginn and Devin Funchess. McD wasn't calling the shots out there. Again, build the Ryan Grigson statue. He got the QB situation right. Sure, he was absolute garbage otherwise, got his generational QB killed and injured season after season, and heavily contributed to that QB leaving the team and football all together before 30 years old. But he got the QB situation right. Batting 1.000. You're also wrong about carrying water. Beane and McD have to go. Beane has shown me nothing that proves he deserves a shot without McD's influence. Toss them both, hire Ben Johnson and let him pick a GM we know he aligns with, don't saddle him with more Carolina team-builders who are gonna focus on 100 defensive lineman to play gap control.

Ryan Grigson should have been GM for life. More right than wrong shouldn't be the standard. Furthermore, the 2024 team doesn't look "more right than wrong." Who looks right on this roster? I'm not sure we have more good players than bad players or question marks on the field. Ultimately, the WR problem is too much to ignore. Put it another way. Hypothetically, if the Bills had a garbage QB, and failed to chase a QB in a meaningful way for 3-4 years, you would say that's egregious. It's clearly the most important position, the Bills can't just ignore it. Now WR's aren't as important as QB, but they are arguably the second most important (along with EDGE/pass rush). Imagine if the Bills had garbage EDGE players. And they just keep taking RB's and safeties and 1T DT's and LB's instead of EDGE for 3-4 years. Again, you would say that's a huge problem. Its the same thing with WR's, WR's are just newly considered more important than they used to be. But Beane was raised in Carolina, where garbage at WR was the playbook du jour. He had an uncharacteristic stretch where he actually thought they were important, but forgot again. The hit rate on individual draft picks is fine, but that's not what matters. If you are a GM in the NFL in 2024, and your most important players are not QB, EDGE, WR, LT, CB and your least important positions aren't RB, S, OG, you are a complete and total dinosaur, I don't care if you find a good RB in the second round more often than others. And your issue with the Eagles are misplaced. The Eagles are super talented with a terrible coach. I would trade rosters with them sans QB in about 2 seconds. They are wasting a really talented team with Sirianni who is Brandon Staley East.

Well that's the thing about Beane. Ford over Metcalf is one move. As a one-off in a vacuum, you can just say "all GM's miss." But the problems with the Bills today are from YEARS and YEARS of bad process. And bad process is unforgivable.

I wonder if the media thing picks up steam, Terry will actually start to think it. No one would argue that he's been exactly HC patient.

I think you are right.

This is the "we overachieved" answer. This is the "future is actually brighter" answer.

Emphatically, NO. Listen, Brandon Beane isn't the worst GM in football. But there are enough glaring flaws that he DESERVES to fall out of grace. Let's do a history rewind. Because the story of the 2024 Bills wasn't just written in 2024. In the NFL, a team can have a bad draft and win a Superbowl that same year. The truly bad decisions and the fallout from them is literally YEARS in the making. Folks think our salary cap issues started in 2024. They didn't, they started much much earlier, because Beane is wasteful. Beane throws around money to washed NFL JAGs all the time. He gave Settle $9M. He gave $6M to Saffold after being the worst OG in football for a season. He gave Von Miller massive money, which failed. He gave Diggs a massive contract extension with 2 years left on his deal, then traded him before his extension even kicked in. He gave Lae'l Collins $5M GTD to come to camp this year, who was then promptly cut, a year after Collins was a practice squad player. Brandon Beane in 2017 - 2020 had money to burn. They had no gigantic contracts. Hyde and Poyer were on financially great deals for the Bills, and Josh and Tre's big money didn't even really kick in yet. Beane could afford to overpay a bit for mediocre to average players and it was basically his strategy. Who can forget signing a bunch of OL to medium money and trading whoever didn't work out for a 5th at camp cutdowns? It's a strategy that works when you expect $60M in space year after year. Not one that works when the belt tightens. Not only that, he had a roster where he couldn't lose. When the team was torn down to the studs in 17-18, it didn't matter who Beane drafted. He could draft virtually ANY position and fill a need. @BADOLBILZ has talked about this a lot, when every position is a need, it becomes much simpler to draft. Anybody you select is going to fill a gaping hole and be a solid pick at the very least. This also doesn't work when your team needs to be smart about value because the belt tightens and you are trying to win a Super Bowl, not win 10 games and be a WC appearance. Beane isn't a horrendous drafter. But he has horrendous strategies that are not just obvious in hindsight, but obvious at the time. Since 2019, the Bills have spent 2 third round picks, a second round pick and a 4th round pick on running backs. Only 2 of those players are on the team today, and one of them was traded before his contract was even up. Honestly, if any of those picks go to virtually any other position, who knows what the 2024 Bills look like. The decision tree gets obliterated by bad positional value. If we take a CB worth a damn, do we not reach on Elam? If we take a WR worth a damn, do we not get held over a barrel with Diggs' extension to make him happy? No one can know, but what we do know is that we have spent an inordinate amount of resources on a position that NFL has told us for 5 years is the worst position to invest in. So then we get to WR's and this is the brunt of it. Brandon Beane used to value good WR's. He brought in Brown for solid money. He brought in Beasley for solid money. He traded for Diggs on top of those dudes when the time was right and drafted a really good 4th WR in Gabe Davis. And then he forgot about WR's. He cut John Brown and brought in an old Emmanuel Sanders in 2021 who basically washed out of the league midway through the season. In 2022, he also hands out an extension to Diggs here because he knows without Diggs, this group sucks. They elevated Gabe to #2 and cut Beasley in favor of bums like McKenzie as WR3 in 2022, desperately realized the WR position was a disaster and BROUGHT BACK the corpses of John Brown and Cole Beasley midseason. There could be no greater evidence the WR group was a disaster when you are doing things like that midseason. But then we get to the next offseason, and our boy again forgets about WR's again and goes Dalton Kincaid in a trade-up, just after giving Knox a big money extension. He adds another throw away fifth round pick at WR. And then trots out this disaster when it goes to hell. It all spirals from there. The mishandling of the WR position for 3 straight years is the real catalyst. The decision to extend Diggs because we had no WR talent, to not prepare at all for Gabe's departure, to not address the position that quickly became the second highest paid position in the sport is legitimately probably the cause ~80% of our issues today. Why do our WR's suck this year? Because Beane mishandled the WR room and hasn't drafted enough good ones (RB room is good but it doesn't help when we are down 20) Why do we have no cap space? Because Beane mishandled the WR room and was forced to pay Diggs and then trade him before the extension kicked in. If we have cap space and some good WR's going into 2024, are we even having a conversation if Beane sucks or not? No. Beane screwed the pooch. And the sad thing is, it was PREDICTABLE. He is a solid GM with fundamental flaws that will be the figurative death of him. Whaley with a different coat of paint. Go hire an Eagles AGM who understands how the game is played. NEXT.

Complaining about the OC not calling more passes when our QB was 9/30 through the air is very funny to me.

There are like 60 guys in the NFL who score on this play. Maybe more. I think Gabe scores here easy tbh.

I'm not surprised either. I was surprised at the way they came out the first 2.5 weeks. The efforts the last two weeks were a little worse than I expected but water has found its level now. If this continues and we limp out in the postseason, I'm getting the FireMcBeane billboard.

Josh is literally the most banged up already that he has been in his career. So much for that plan. At least we will run him into the ground and hang our back to back to back to back to back AFCE Division Winner banners.

You are right but the talent hasn't been this poor in a long time either. I honestly don't even blame Brady really. If I had to bet, he is running the show Beane and McD want. I don't think either are the worst football people in the world, but imo the lack of focus or even worse, the complete misjudgment on the value of playmaking talent around Josh is a fatal flaw that should cost them both their jobs. They are not the duo to bring us to the promised land. This is, as you said, their design and I'm not sure they even recognize how bad it is. What's odd is in 2019-2021, there was a more clear effort to surround Josh with talent offensively. Did they forget? Did they think they couldn't win that way? I don't know and frankly I no longer care. We cannot go on like this lol.

That's why I have come around to "Fire Everyone" lol. If Brandon Beane or McD or Brady or all 3 of them said "we will sign up for 60% of snaps going to Mack Hollins," they all need to be shown the door. I didn't like Dorsey's offense. But imo, Dorsey's offense would have looked worse with this talent group. It's truly a vicious cycle of suck. Everyone's to blame and they gotta go.

We did in 2022. Brady isn't getting Allen killed imo. The lack of talent is killing Allen, physically and mentally. Physically, because he already had to be Superman week 1 and broke his hand. Also got hurt vs the Ravens and today. Mentally, because he is going through 3-4 reads and there's nothing there. He is not trusting his guys because he shouldn't and bad habits are coming out. Combine that with an OL that is 50-50 on free rushers every passing play, and you have a dude who is gonna get worn down. I told @HappyDays in the offseason. Beane and McD are gonna turn our boy into Cam Newton. That may be true. Regardless, there's a reason RB's aren't paid anymore. Because they don't make enough of a difference. James Cook is honestly borderline elite and it doesn't matter, the offense is still garbage with an elite QB because they don't have difference-makers anywhere.

Cover1 is great. First it was, we shouldn't trade Diggs and we can't trade Diggs Then it was, wow we did trade Diggs Then it was, wow we are better without Diggs. All over the course of 3 months. Selling false-hope to Bills fans is an economic lesson. This fanbase is so starved for a championship, we are the perfect customer for "why Dalton Kincaid may be TE1 next year" hype content. Mack Hollins and MVS are old. Samuel is 28. Rasul Douglas is 100. Hamlin is in year 4. Taylor Rapp is 27. Josh is 28. And then: The Buffalo Bills are the oldest team in the NFL, with a Week 1 average age of 27 years, 5 months, 29 days. https://bookies.com/nfl/picks/nfl-teams-average-age

We ARE figured out already. The thing with those Chan Gailey offenses was that they had two limitations: #1 A physically limited QB. I love Fitz as much as the next guy, but he didn't have the arm to hit the deep outs. That's a third of the field teams didn't care if he threw to because they were picks galore. This allowed them to squat on the short stuff #2 An overall untalented NFL roster. We were trotting out WR's like Donald Jones and David Nelson. Stevie was our only outside threat and our only other true weapons were on running backs. This meant that all teams had to do was make us one-dimensional, and the flaws would compound on themselves as David Nelson was never going to beat teams. Now today, we don't have a problem with #1. Josh not only can make all the throws, he can make throws most guys can't. But if you read point #2, it's like a mad-libs where you can exchange our current names and the past names. Lots of folks, myself included have said the true test of an OC is having a counter-punch when teams figure you out. Dorsey didn't, which is why his offense fell off a cliff after the first couple weeks. Daboll kinda did, but even he would get figured out a bit. At this juncture, it looks like Brady has been figured out. It is on him to adjust. But the problem is that both Daboll and Dorsey had the elite Josh-Diggs combo to fall back on when things weren't working. Brady has no such easy button. Chan didn't either and had the worse QB. I have some hope that Brady will be able to figure something out, but he clearly didn't from last week to this week outside of the "pass to Mack Hollins more" plan which predictably was a disaster. There's honestly just not much you can expect an OC to do with this roster.

O'Cyrus Torrence is arguably one of the worst OG's in football right now. You can't believe this.

Folks don't realize or remember that quality WR's MAKE plays. Sure sometimes the ball isn't perfect. In fact, for most QB's, passes over 30 yards in the air are RARELY perfect. Usually they require the WR to track the ball and adjust their speed to field it. We watch guys like Jayden Reed get wide open and slow down or speed up or run under the ball EVERY WEEK. We aren't talking about superstars (although Reed is quite good), just good NFL players. Mack is not a good NFL WR. That doesn't mean he can't block or catch a perfect missile in his chest on a slant. Of course he can. But he can't MAKE a play happen. All the WR's that make tough catches or explosives are part of the reason those plays are successful. Mack is in year 7, he doesn't have that ability and never will. This isn't Madden where you press X to catch.