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It’s not even about becoming a complete WR. It’s about ability to impact games. It’s likely this dude just sucks. But can he run a couple go routes a game and maybe make a 60 yard TD pass? I think so. Can he draw a safeties attention and open up Shakir a bit? I think so. Is that worth not rostering a terrible player who does their 1/11th on ST? Absolutely.

Kelce has BEEN their top receiving threat the last 2 years and their offense has been considerably less than great. I think great receiving TE’s and slot WR’s kinda fill the same role. There is a reason they drafted a WR in the first round with a trade up and also signed Hollywood Brown. It was all to take focus off Kelce/Rice. Like I said, it’s philosophical. Any time spent on the Bills defense worrying about Hopkins opens up space for Kelce. Vice versa, any time spent worrying about Cooper opens up space for Shakir. It’s not easy to take away both outside threats and inside threats. It’s why KC was so deadly with Hill and Kelce. Teams were so afraid of 60 yard TD’s with Hill that Kelce had real room to operate. When Shakir is playing, I don’t think the loss of Kincaid is felt all that much as long as Cooper is still out there. Cooper is not 100% healthy which changes things. But if we are playing KC in the playoffs, and the choice is between Coleman/Cooper/Kincaid and one of them can’t play, I pick to miss Kincaid and it’s not even close tbh.

Not sure I agree with this. Shakir, while being incredible as a slot threat, has seen his YPC drop a full 4 yards. He was 15.7 YPC last year. Now he’s 11 YPC. Diggs was at 11.1 last year and anywhere from that to 13 in his tenure here. Part of that of that is usage, Shakir makes his living from the slot but that’s why slots are less valuable. And Shakir to me is a borderline elite slot now. The question is who is better for an offense. A top 15 outside WR or a top 3 slot WR. That’s philosophical and hard to answer imo.

I think they still lose money. 2014ish was their peak market. Now it’s a losing game. I think they did partner with DK which probably floats them at this point.

That’s why they are all worth first or second rounders.

They were close, but they weren't. When Brady and BB were together, they played in 13 conference championship games. Peyton played in 5. 4 of them were against Brady. Brady played in 10 Superbowls and won 7. Peyton played in 4 Superbowls and won 2. Peyton was a great player. One of the best QB's ever. He was never on the cusp of overthrowing the Pats dynasty. He got a couple on them, but it was the Pats-era just like its the Chiefs-era now.

Best coach in the NFL + best QB in the NFL equals dynasty and lots of Super Bowls. Everything else is closer to irrelevant thank folks like to admit. The Steelers had good coaches and a great top 5 HoF QB and HoF players. They still didn't hold a candle to Brady/BB in NE. Same with the Seahawks. Same with the Falcons. Same with the Colts/Broncos. The hope for teams like the Bills and the Ravens and the Bengals with great QB's is going to be sneak an SB or two, like the Colts, Broncos and Steelers did. That's it.

I would take a first or second rounder for everyone on this list except Allen lol.

Is there a comparison available for the other contenders (SF, Niners, Philly etc?) I would imagine most playoff teams can hope for .500 against other playoff teams.

The off-season discourse around the Bills was always funny. We lived through the Pats dynasty. Best QB in the division + best HC in the division equals cruising to division titles. Doesn’t matter if the team is less talented than the year prior. But of course, folks were out here thinking we were a 7 win team. Foolish then, foolish now.

No love for Cordy Glenn?

You will learn to bow at the Mack Hollins altar!

I couldn’t have said it better

This is ignorant and hateful commentary!

If the other teams gameplan is “let Josh throw to Mack,” that kinda tells you all you need to know, right? I think we are having two different conversations. Mack can clearly be productive with Josh throwing him the ball. He was the most productive WR this week, so props for that. Like I said above, if the opposing teams gameplan is “let Josh throw to Mack” that should be some kind of indicator to his ability. I don’t blame Mack for Cooper/Coleman being hurt or for him being the best of a weak bunch otherwise. I still think that’s all he is, despite catching a deep pass that Josh had to scramble to create, that we’ve seen lots of lesser WR’s do in Josh’s tenure.

It’s very funny. Talk about setting yourself up for failure for 7 straight years. Next coach won’t be married to Caleb and will be quick to throw him under the bus to save himself. Another first round pick wasted.

No. I just don’t think it’s a coincidence that when Mack is more involved, Josh has pretty bad stat lines. Mack’s great game and Josh’s 66 passer rating seem inherently linked imo. Just like when Mack got a team leading 6 targets vs Houston and Josh completed 9 passes. Or when Mack was second on the team in targets vs Baltimore and Josh had a 73.9 passer rating and we lost by 25. I want Mack to be Hines Ward. I don’t think he is.

Are we arguing the Jets/Pats/Dolphins have been pillars of success?

Hey come on now. We haven’t had any embarrassing losses like losing a playoff game after scoring a go-ahead TD with 13 seconds left, or shanking a game-tying FG wide right by like 20 yards.

Their divisional rival went to the SB 2 years ago and has been a playoff team 3 of the last 4 years (and will likely be a playoff team this year) That’s better than every single divisional opponent in the AFCE, right?

We also have the far better QB than Dallas does. Dak is good, but he isn’t Josh Allen. If we switch Josh and Dak the last 4 seasons, does Dallas look more like Buffalo and Buffalo more like Dallas? I think so. This topic solely exists as revisionist history to kick Dallas when they are down and to rewrite that they haven’t been one of the best teams in the NFC the last 3 years.

I find the obsession with the Cowboys very odd. They won 12 games the last 3 seasons. 2 division titles in that span. They had a little bit of talent erosion, as all teams do, had a down year and their QB got hurt. trying to pain their last 4 years as some kind of systemic failure of Jerry Jones is really just entirely inaccurate.

Again, without his top 2 WR’s Josh had one of his worst statistical games of the season. this game proved how valuable Coleman and Cooper are

We watched a bunch of bums over the years make that play. “Robert Foster stepping up” when Josh makes the entire play lol

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