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My friend, overemphasizing 3 plays over 32 years ain’t the way. But point taken lol. IMO, 13 seconds was a failure of defense INFINITELY more than ST. I really don’t think elite gunners matter. This emphasis on special teams will disappear as football is dragged kicking and screaming into the analytic age. I just truly don’t believe the value is there IRT roster building. It will suck for guys like Taiwan Jones and Jake Kumerow across the league, but IMO your special teams coach is supposed to get your end of the roster people coached up on ST, not need “elite” bums. Guys like Stefon Diggs and AB were STers early in their careers. I would hate to be the team that gets rid of them too early in favor of 32 year old gunners.

I reject the assertion that it’s IMPORTANT. 2020 Bucs had 29th ST unit in the NFL per DVOA. 2019 KC was 2. 2018 NE was 16. 2017 PHI was 16. 2016 NE was 8. It doesn’t matter. The history of the NFL tells us it’s much more important to be elite offensively or defensively than have anything better than average STers. If you have two young guys who are both gonna be at the end of the roster, and one is a better STer, by all means keep that one. But this fixation with maximizing the ST unit with players who will NEVER EVER be contributors on the offensive or defensive side of the ball is just poor strategy. Siran Neal is a good example. Great youngish (well not anymore) STer who can play some defense. Taiwan Jones and Jake Kumerow is puke.

As we have seen, they have kept their elite gunner but the Super Bowls have dried up over the last couple seasons.

Who is the Buccaneers Taiwan Jones?

You can't make these decisions in a vacuum. It's zero sum. The bottom 7 or 8 roster spots are for developing players and STers. More STers is less developing players. They traded him because otherwise they would have cut him.

Wait, you don't think the OG who showed up to Cleveland for peanuts and made an All-Pro team after not starting until Week 9 would have NEVER EVER seen the field in Buffalo?

They could have kept 10......... except for the ST players.

They traded him because he didn't have a roster spot..... because of special teams players.

Well it may be different if you are making $200M. If you are, please help.

Yeah, there is no reason to not let Elam take his lumps now. He needs to be rounding into form by December

We may have won a few more games with Wyatt Teller on the team.

Yeah, I can't believe that 7 time Super Bowl winning QB gets a pass on things that Mitch Trubisky wouldn't.

@mrags should go

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I also like to compare them with my eyes. To my eyes, both LJ and TT struggle with getting the ball to outside WR’s. Now Lamar is very good at reading soft zones and getting the ball to his TE’s. TT well, wasn’t great at that either lol. And you are right, Lamar plays much more aggressive and is a much bigger weapon than TT and frankly other than any mobile QB we have ever seen. He is a unique specimen, not unsimilar to Josh (in uniqueness, not play style). TT and Lamar both have one thing demonstrably in common. They are flawed passers. They cannot (or in TT’s case will not) make every throw consistently enough. And Lamar is good enough that it doesn’t matter most of the time. Except when the playoffs start and the teams become tougher. When LJ enters the postseason, he plays well, bad. And IMO, it’s because the flaws in his game are magnified by other teams. That doesn’t make him a bad QB. In fact, I think LJ is talented ENOUGH, that if he didn’t get any better from today on, I still think he’s good enough to win a SuperBowl. All that being said, I can see the comparisons between TT and LJ. Mobile QB’s whose athleticism compensates for flaws in their passing. If TT couldn’t run, im not sure he would have ever started in the NFL. Now Lamar is very clearly both the superior athlete and the superior passer. If Lamar couldn’t run, he’d still be better than TT. does this mean you know who is who? You may want to check your math on the bolded lmao

I never said they were the same lol. You seem to have a lot of personal issues with this

So they are similar but not comparable? Let's play a game: I compared two QB's to Lamar Jackson. Can you guess who is who?

Do you want me to demonstrate some commonalities that Tyrod and Lamar have that Josh Allen does not?

So they are similar?

That's good analysis and I ABSOLUTELY would agree that's huge if that's true (I can't really remember the exact play). But of course, that's a lot more analysis than "arm strength matters !11!!1!!1!!"

I posted 2021 already. Here ya go. As far as the LJ topic is concerned, how could you argue they aren't similar. Unless you are arguing that similar means same, in which case I would point you to the good people at Merriam Webster.

Are you talking about the shooting or this thread? Bravo.

Are you denying that the 2016 draft class stuck around in 2016?

Do you want more lmao, I have more. I'm sorry Lamar won the MVP and hasn't been as good since, and put up a Colin Kaepernick statline last year. It must be hard for you.

Every single one of my posts is handcrafted with such care and precision it would make your head explode.