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Patrick Mahomes is already a better QB than Danny boy. Sure, a guy like Nick Foles isn’t better than Josh Allen because he has a ring. That’s obvious. No one is arguing that.

Marino might be one of the best QB’s ever to never win. But that’s a big asterisk and a reason why no one says, “it’s him and Brady as the two GOAT QBs.” Because that’s laughable.

Choker, didn’t watch, choker, choker. or, alternatively, not as good as the other all time greats x 4. Unsurprisingly, part of approaching the best ever is playing your best in the biggest moments.

That’s true. Somehow the all time great QB’s seem to win a bunch for their teams.

See above.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=what+active+qb+has+the+most+superbowls

I think that Josh Allen stopped doing as much in the off-season after 2021. He believed, after that moment, that the difference between him and Mahomes was a coinflip. Unfortunately, the gulf has only grown since then.

Yeah, I’d like to prevent my QB from getting injured so really it’s irrelevant HOW he got injured. It’s very simple, less hits = less injuries. We have seen multiple seasons where Allen is banged up for a portion of the year because of an injury, notably the UCL most recently. That includes OL investment success, which I will give Beane kudos for doing a generally decent job, with 2020 and 2023 having pretty strong OL play. That also includes receiving talent investment. Which he gets far worse grades. There is absolutely a fine line between neutering what makes him special and using his gifts too much. I totally get that Allen is gonna be Allen and a lot of the hits he takes is on him. And I totally get that he’s not safe in the pocket either, because his UCL was a pocket injury. But a good way to lessen his hits, without taking away his ability, is to surround him with good receiving talent so there’s a better chance there’s an open receiver to throw to. So he doesn’t feel like he has to run through a linebackers chest to get a crucial first down in November against a team that’s going to finish 6-11. We know that when Allen is backed into a corner and no one is open, he’s gonna lay it all out there. That’s fine. In February, go for it. Surround Allen with a better group than 2020 and his TOs will drop and his head smashing plays will also drop. He has shown he can do that. Allen had 4 broken tackles in 2020. He had 12 in 2021. 9 last year. That’s an imperfect stat, but I’d like to see that number go back down instead of up.

the most telling thing of all is that @BADOLBILZ@HappyDays @GunnerBill you and I can disagree on a trillion different topics, and yet have all agreed for years that the lack of investment in WR is brutal. Beane needs a small council. We are approaching “Whaley being afraid to draft a QB” status. I wonder if that’s gonna change in the coming years. Obviously, when most teams are targeting to have 3 or more decent wideouts, there’s a bit of a numbers game of mid to late rounders filling those roles. But similar to how late first/early second graded QB’s are taken high in the first, I wonder if we’ll see some (reasonable) value inflation. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a biggest number of WR’s drafted in the first 60 picks ever, personally. When the alternative is paying decent pros like Jeudy $60M, it just makes sense.

I know that Beane wasn’t the GM. But it was very clear they did not surround him with a lot of help on the offensive side. You’d think a guy who witnessed that first-hand would think, “hey, when I’m running my own team, and I get a franchise QB, I don’t want him running around in circles trying to do carry the entire offense every game.” But he clearly didn’t. So why should we expect he is laser focused on WR help for Josh now? And that’s all well and good that you think that Cam’s career decline can be pinpointed to one singular injury. All I know is if I have a franchise QB, the guy I rely on to keep my job and keep my team in SB contention year after year, I want him putting himself in harm’s way the least amount possible.

That's my issue with the, "Beane has to have learned his lesson, he will definitely take 1-2 WR's this draft," take. We have no proof that he learned his lesson from Carolina. Why would he learn his lesson from Gabe Davis leaving in FA? Running their athletic QB into the ground and ending their career 3-4 years before it should've by surrounding him with bargain bin bums seems to be their MO. They didn't draft Kelvin Benjamin until after they lost their old #1WR. They are not proactive at the position.

The Pats had a worse point differential by about 50 compared to the Jets. With the GOAT HC.

Agreed, but it's still using draft capital. Maybe with an asterisk. Either way its far too low. I'd like to think Beane has learned his lesson, but he was a part of the FO that subjected Cam Newton to trash targets for 5 years, so I don't know.

Including Diggs trade?

If the Bills were the 3 seed in the AFC would you still say they were better than the 2023 team that was the 2 seed?

Well then that’s not just hope, is it?

I hope the Bills are the best team ever. I hope every single player who puts on the jersey next seasons stays healthy, and plays like the best player in the world. Why would I post that and invite arguments to the contrary? It’s obviously indefensible, it’s just a wish.

You could….not listen.

Will the Bills win more games in 2024 than 2023?

Yeah yeah, you argued that Ken Dorsey was gonna get better in year two, but now arguing Monken isn’t gonna get better in year two. Ooookay bro. you can lead us a horse to water, but you can’t get him to admit that the Tyrod Taylor saga should have made him look his Bills opinions in the mirror.

Every team in the NFL had injured players who they expect to be better in 2024 as well. That’s another whiff. For every player who is young and developing, another player is getting older and slower. And Joe Brady gets another year. Todd Monken gets another year too. He’s not an unknown commodity either. do you really not see the generalizability of all of these arguments? It’s not just for every team. You could say this EVERY YEAR. Kaiir Elam is developing and is gonna be better in year two. Tre White will be healthy in 2023 two years after his ACL.

So why is his cap hit this year $23M if he has two years of voidable cap hit? That’s the part I do not understand.

Buddy, what you think is "antagonizing" is actually called "arguing your evidence." I can say, "Diggs isn't gonna get traded because the sky is green." Someone can disagree with the sky being green, without disagreeing about the premise. Like I said, I found your evidence and arguments not persuasive and I told you so. As far as treating other people like they're crazy, I'd advise you to read some of your posts in this thread. I linked a few below. And I'd advise you, to again. look in the mirror. Because you really are a textbook example of projecting. I also never said you thought Allen was gonna win MVP. It was an example. The guy who posted these 3 posts in the last 7 hrs has a problem with me "antagonizing" folks and treating them like they are crazy. there are not enough LMAO's on earth

Or they stop posting and admit they are a yellow bellied coward!

It’s cowardly to not take what I consider to be a bad bet? You didn’t even give me odds, so I assume you want even money. That’s coinflip odds, and I don’t take coinflip odds on something that isn’t a 50-50 proposition. If I HAD to place a bet, I would bet on him being here. I also won’t be surprised if he’s moved. I am absolutely going to claim a victory lap. I will laugh and laugh and laugh. I will quote this thread for a millennia. The atomic bombs I will drop will make @BillsFanForever19’s Hines thread look like a water gun. The best thing about me clowning you about takes from 12 years ago is that all I have to do is mention it, and you immediately get all riled up. That’s the real victory lmao. Next time @Alphadawg7 gets in some argument about Allen winning MVP or the Bills going the AFCCG or whatever, im going to offer him even money that it won’t happen lol.