
FireChans
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A very cool stat. He got the ball more in Houston and was less efficient than he was in Buffalo and scored less touchdowns and had less yards from scrimmage. You’re right, he crushed it. Of course, Josh also threw the almost 70 times more than CJ did comparing 2022 to 2023. Josh also rushed almost 90 more times than CJ. And we had James Cook who had 90 carries to Pierces’ 145, and well-eclipsed Pierce on yardage. Gee, I wonder why Devin got more carries in Houston. But hey, I know you’re big on playoff performance. So let’s talk playoffs. Singletary in Buffalo 2022 postseason. 4.6 YPC, 5.2 yards per touch in 2 games Singletary in Houston 2023 postseason. 4.0 YPC, 4.7 yards per touch in 2 games. What’s the difference? It’S gOtTa Be CoAcHiNg! Say uncle.
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With this logic, CJ Stroud was a bust.
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every game against KC has counted.
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the unfortunate answer is… it depends. Do you think 1 of 2 sixth round graded players have a better chance of succeeding than 1 5th round graded player? I don’t know. You also have to consider position groups and need. A 5th round graded safety is more likely to make the team than some other positions, all things being equal. I think you trust your internal scouting process and get the guys you think will be the best. If they can get a fifth round safety instead of a sixth round graded RB or LB, I think you pull the trigger. To answer your other question, sometimes we trade up, sometimes we trade back. Shakir was a trade up (5 and 6 for an earlier 5), for example. That’s a good example of targeting the talent over the extra picks.
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IMO, no. Here's an example. It's the start of the 6th round. We have 188 and 1999. You have a few players left on your board with 5th round grades on them. Are you better off packaging one or both those picks to move up and get a 5th round graded prospect, or stand pat and miss out on players with higher grades to let the board come to you (or miss out on players of need with similar grades)? For me, I trust Beane and co. in these later rounds. Stay pat if it makes no difference. Package your sixths and sevenths to get guys you think are going to be better or play a position of need.
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I don't think its unreasonable. I just think our best chance of drafting players to replace Diggs/Davis for the next 4-8 years is this year, in a super deep WR draft. I think there will be guys in rounds 2-4 that would be borderline first or second round picks next year. Of course that means there's some risk, but if Diggs is on his way out likely next season, why prolong the pain instead of getting that first rounder and third rounder more snaps and more experience this year? This draft is similar to the 2020 draft, maybe even better in terms of WR talent. We are likely gonna be picking in the late 20s for the rest of Josh's career. This is the year to double down on WR's. They don't both have to be All-Pros, they just have to be quality. In 2020, the 20s picks and on were JJ, Aiyuk, Higgins, Pittman, Shenault, Hamler, Claypool, Jefferson, Mims, Edwards, Duvernay, Davis, AGG. 6 out of 12 proved to be able to produce at the NFL level (including Claypool who is a headcase, but the talent was there). So take 2 or 3 and build up the room. I just don't think Diggs is the difference between wasting a year or not. If we take two WR's decently high and they both bust, the SB run is over. We will win the AFCE and win a playoff game no matter what. And if I'm wrong, and the Bills win 6 games and get a high pick to actually help the team next year, that's awesome too. None of those dudes you listed were can't miss, btw.
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BTW, if Singletary had put up 1,500 rushing here, even on 4.2 YPC, and had 1,800 total YFS, no one would have been upset. ... except for you maybe. Except he...... didn't. Ever. If I was a bus, we could all go for a ride. In other news, when he had 12 or more carries in Houston, the Texans went 7-1. When he had 58 or more yards they were 6-1. Wow, that's impressive. In 2022, when Singletary had 12 or more carries in Buffalo, the Bills went 7-1. When he had 58 or more yards, they were 5-0. You have discovered that teams that are winning football games run a lot. That's true. And just BTW, in games where he had 16 or more carries, he averaged 4.5 YPC. Wow again. I'm really cooked here. Oh wait, when Singletary had 12 or more carries in Buffalo, he averaged 4.88 YPC. When he had 16 or more carries, he averaged 5.9 YPC. Oops. The point all along is that on a per-game basis where he (or Moss for that matter) have been the bell cow RB, they've both performed better elsewhere, with lesser QBs, in one case much lesser, in the other, a rookie. Hard to be more wrong here. By every measure you put out, (except projection where you didn't even show your work for your fake number), Singletary was clearly better in Buffalo last year. You lose. Say uncle.
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Toney was not CANT miss. Neither was Shenault. Or Reagor. Or Moore. What?
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Imo, there’s also the factor of diminishing returns. I firmly believe that Allen needed Diggs much more in 2020 than he does now. There’s plenty of QB’s that benefitted from an elite target earlier in their career, but needed it less as time went on. Stafford got a lot better post Megatron. Brady had Moss for those few elite seasons, then made due with a relatively rag tag WR group. Mahomes got better as a QB without Tyreek. If you had the choice between Diggs (still assuming elite play) or Tee Higgins + Devonta Smith, who would you take in 2024. For me, it’s option 2 by a mile. I’d rather surround Allen with a bunch of good targets than 1 great one and a bunch of bums.
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Thats great. If Ty Johnson had started every game, he could’ve had those numbers on 4.4 YPC. See how silly it is to “project” 1500 yards (which means it didn’t happen lmao) and use it to support that he was way better? Sorry let me explain. This is how logic works. You have your thesis “coaching/FO mismanagement is the root of all of our problems” You have your evidence “Singletary was better with the Texans than he was with the Bills” You have your conclusion, “what’s the difference? Coaching.” Now, here’s how arguing works. Your evidence is wrong. Your evidence sucks. Ergo, your thesis and conclusion is not supported by your evidence. Your crusade/game is very old. And for a kicker, not only did Devin Singletary NOT perform notably better in Houston as I posted here with ACTUAL FACTUAL EVIDENCE. You started to use his PROJECTED YARDS based on fairy dust to salvage the operation. Which I outlined was laughable as above lol. Of course you also forgot that those elite coaching gods in Houston ruined Dameon Pierce. Singletary was about as good this year as Pierce was last year. Pierce’s play completely fell off a cliff, due to their own scheme change. Talk about putting a player in a position to succeed, right? What’s the difference between the Texans this year and last year? Coaching? Right? Sometimes you’re fun to discuss with, but it’s much less fun when you pivot to “you’re missing the point” instead of “you’re blowing my evidence and argument out of the water.”
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???? He had the worst yard per touch in his career. Had he gotten more touches in Buffalo, he would’ve had bigger numbers too lol. What does this prove?
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Devin Singletary had the lowest yard per touch of his career last year. He also had the second fewest TD’s of his career. He had less yards from scrimmage than his two previous years in Buffalo, with more touches. Notably better elsewhere?
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I guess the disconnect is you still think Diggs is this necessary puzzle piece to contention. I’ve watched him no show against KC enough, I don’t mind if some rookie puts up 4 catches for 32 yards. What’s the difference, except they will get much needed experience and better faster? We will contend as long as Allen is QB and McD is coach. Legit no one else matter that much.
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If there was ever a year to take some medicine on Diggs and have 2-3 rookie WR’s learning and growing with Josh, it’s probably this year.
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Because his value can get even lower still?
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Nah, I think he’s declining. Not sure if he sucks yet. We will likely see in 2024 if his last ten games were an aberration or a reflection of his current ability. However, this phenomenon is well documented. If a player is purported to be “run out of town,” they do obviously suck. EJ got “ran out of town.” It’s the kiss of death for a career. Arguing that Diggs is being run out of town by the fans is very bad. The sister clause is “if there’s a huge amount topics about you being a franchise QB, you aren’t one.” When was the last time Josh had a “is he the guy” topic? Probably 2019? How many did Tyrod and Fitz get? Thousands. How many did Fields get? Thousands.
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All we need is one year. we are not the successors to NE’s dynasty. We never will be. Banking on one year of Josh getting hot and playing like the best QB in football in the postseason (which he’s proven he can do) is a much better strategy than banking on super JAG’s like Oliver, Rousseau, AJE, Benford etc etc all playing at a great level consistently in the postseason (which they’ve never proven they can do).
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Ah the old “running them out of town” argument. Because Brandon Beane and Stef are deciding their futures based on TBD commentary. This is the same type of comment we got with Trent and Fitz and Tyrod and Mario Williams all the other dudes who sucked who got “ran out of town by the fans.” Spoiler alert: they still ***** sucked after they left. Let’s make it simple. If you are going to make the argument that the fans are “running a player out of town,” that’s proof positive the player sucks. You are admitting Diggs sucks.
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Folks that I trust that definitely have sources within the org. I have no idea the “why” behind it and neither did they.
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I do not care about the RB room at all. We have spent 2 thirds and a second in the last 5 years on running back. Bring the UB starter to camp, who cares.
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Many folks have reported that there was a point where Allen and Diggs were not on speaking terms and that Allen had to be the bigger person and cobble together some kind of working relationship.
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Can you think of another difference between Rasul Douglas and Stef Diggs?