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Probably like 100 bucks. whats one year when they probably wouldn’t anyway

If you can’t remember, you don’t need to commit. You get to experience the heartache forever blissfully unaware you sold it. Come to think of it, some Bills fan probably already took the money in 1963

Tasker too high, Kelly too high, Josh too low.

I’d take 500k on the condition that I lost my memory of the deal.

there are 4 pages previously re-litigating a play that happened when Keon Coleman was still at FSU. Blaming me for taking this train off the tracks is deeply unfair.

I'm going to leave you all with this because it is far too off topic. The point of all of this is that we will not get unlimited chances with Josh Allen. He is 29 years old. Maybe he plays great for the next 10 or 15 years. Maybe its 5. Maybe its 3. We do not know. When it was 2020, I felt like we had a very long runway. Josh had arrived as an elite player (finishing second in MVP voting) the Bills had their best season since 1995, an AFCCG defeat to the defending Super Bowl champs, and our championship window was wide open. And now here we are, 5 years later. Same exact spot. Offensive and defensive cornerstones have come and gone. Same exact spot. 5 years of drafts and free agents. Same exact spot. Let's look at some of those constants through those 5 years. Josh Allen is excellent. He tends to perform very well, even in playoff defeats. We all agree with this. There is no meaningful way to try to improve on Josh Allen, and it would be foolhardy to even attempt. Injuries and bad luck are unable to be controlled. I am down for whatever voodoo or black magic or shamrock stuff you all would like to try. The other constants are the GM and the HC. The GM's personnel decisions have been discussed ad naseum, but there's room for improvement there, right? And finally we come to the finale, the head coach. The defensive head coach who seems to have his defense play one of the worst games of the year, EVERY YEAR, in the biggest game of the year (the last one). Constant. Consistency. If we weren't all Bills fans, we would all have a chuckle at this version of the Bills, who despite performing at a high level just about every regular season, collapse defensively EVERY SINGLE YEAR in the postseason. We usually reserve words like "chokers" or "frauds" for teams like the Ravens or the Cowboys, but honestly, we are kind of right there with them. Suffice it to say, there is one person employed by the Bills that I am 100% convinced is good enough to win a Superbowl and his name is Josh Allen. I'm not convinced anyone else is good enough. I am convinced that McD and Beane are good enough to make the playoffs and lose. That's what they have proven to me. I have no problem with anyone's faith alternatively, but that's what it is. And I have lost that faith. 0-4 will do that to you. I also wonder if some of the players have lost that faith as well. As far as individual players missing or injured each season, can anyone name all the starting DBs from the 2020 Buccaneers? I can't. What about the starting DBs from the 2021 Bengals? I can't. Do you know who was injured in the first Q of the 2023 Chiefs divisional round game? Their starting safety. Do you know who was traded in the 2024 offseason? The Chiefs best starting outside CB because they couldn't afford him. So miss me with the "we were down a starting safety 3 years ago which is really the reason the Chiefs had another elite offensive performance and ripped through McD's defense AGAIN." The whole point of a defensive coach, I thought, was to hold up their end of the bargain when paired with an elite offensive talent. Josh doesn't need an elite OC to be elite. But he does need support from the other side of the ball when he is pacing on the sideline. He hasn't gotten it. So now, coming off an offseason almost solely dedicated to the defensive side of the ball, what is stuff going to be if they get ripped through, again? "We just need a few more bounces or luck, we are so close" "(Insert player here) had a hamstring injury which is why the Chiefs averaged 9 yards per play" Same story, different day. It's gotten really freakin old. And I love the Bills. I even really like McD, I think he's a good coach. But I have officially had enough of running it back and not seeing an ROI on our defensive investment. Good luck to you all and I really do hope you are right. Because I know McD and Beane aren't going anywhere, so to me, they either get it done or we will never see ultimate victory in the Josh Allen era.

The games are close because our offense usually plays very well. A bit of luck or a bounce or two or a few more difference makers is not a sufficient explanation for the Chiefs playing one of their best offensive games of the season year after year against the Bills in the playoffs, imo. They lost their #1 WR for the year in week 4 for cripe's sake. They had to trade away Tyreek Hill for salary cap reasons and have had their last 2 seasons being fifteenth in points scored. How is that not luck for the Bills?

Are you on the "Cam wasn't a good QB" train too? Do you think players' careers can't be compared because they aren't as good? Here's another example. Maybe he's good enough to qualify as a comparison. Chuck Pagano had a winning percentage of .614 when Andrew Luck was starting. He went an incredible 6-3 with Hasselback and Freeman when Luck got hurt in 2015. He was .500 in the playoffs and had an AFCCG appearance in his first 3 seasons. I bet Colts fans thought they had 12 more years of being in the mix with Luck. They thought they had some bad luck and would eventually break through. They thought they had a very good coach whose only losing season came when Luck missed a full season. They were wrong. If Andrew Luck and Chuck Pagano aren't good enough to be discussed or compared to Josh and McDermott, then there's honestly no reason to discuss anything about them because they are both 1 of 1's and unless we invent cloning technology, nothing will ever be comparable.

Cam Newton wasn't as good as Josh Allen. However, the 2 seasons before Josh Allen won MVP, he threw 64 TDs to 32 INTs. Cam was not a good QB? Nah. Man, Bills fans are so spoiled by Josh lol.

Um, Cam Newton had 981 rushing attempts in his 10 year career in Carolina. Josh Allen has 759 rushing attempts in his 7 year career in Buffalo. It's likely at this point that Josh surpasses Cam in career attempts. We all know that Josh is a far superior passer than Cam. But if he faces the same physical decline that Cam did at 30, will he still be an MVP QB or just a good QB? We all saw what happened to Russell Wilson when he lost a step. The biggest takeaway from the Cam Newton comparison SHOULD be that not every QB plays at the peak of their powers until 39 years old. I bet Carolina Panthers fans saw Cam win MVP in 2015 and thought they had 10 more years of him playing at a high level. They were wrong.

It's admitting that at a certain point, he has had enough bites at the apple imo. It's like when drought coaches couldn't break it in 3 years. Sure, we had some key injuries with Chan or Rex or Jauron. We had some bad luck. We had some weaker rosters. But at a certain point, the Bills decided, "this guy hasn't made the playoffs in 3 or 4 seasons, he probably isn't going to" and fired them. We are going into year 9 of McDermott and Beane without a Superbowl appearance. Is that the longest coaching/GM tenure without a championship APPEARANCE? It has to be up there.

Philly Brown AJ Klein It's not players who were ever Panthers, it's players who were all in Carolina from like 2016. Nearly half their roster has played for the Bills at this point.

The problem is that all of you admit its a complex thing and list all these possible reasons for failure, but it CAN'T be coaching lol. I admit injuries have been a problem. I admit that the roster desperately lacks another star or 3. I admit the cosmic luck hasn't gone our way. I also think Reid kinda takes McD's lunch money every time we play them in postseason. How can you be so sure that isn't also a problem?

I think it's totally fair to feel that way. I disagree completely, but I think that's fine. At this point, I feel like we are spinning our wheels. We have the same conversations about desperate team needs at critical positions in what feels like every offseason (DL and WR), we have the same conversations about bad luck vs injuries vs coaching being the root cause of the latest defensive no-show in our latest playoff defeat and every year, Josh gets a bit more older and a bit more banged up. Cam Newton's last year of performing at a just "good" level was at 30. Not every QB is going to be Brady and play until 45.

Josh Allen won MVP because he dragged this crew to 13 wins. The way I interpreted this post was replacing player X with a league average player at that position and what is the Bills record. I guess I think Eddy O and Greg are quite overrated. Folks are now taking for granted all the things Josh does to keep the offense moving. How many of Keon's and Mack's yards last year came from Josh eluding a rush and heaving a ball downfield after a scramble drill? We aren't getting that with a league average QB.

I'm not sure what "not the same defense" means but okay. I know McD is going nowhere. We have folks on here calling him a top 15 coach in modern history with a HoF QB and 2 AFC finalist banners lol. My question is what do we think is more likely two years from now? 0-6 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs or 2-4 vs the Chiefs in the playoffs? I know my answer. @NewEra what do you got?

4 12 11 13 13 great minds lol

Ol Riverboat had a much better winning percentage in Carolina when Cam was at his peak. The point was not Rivera vs McD, the point was that Rivera and Gettleman had a prime specimen at QB, made it to one Super Bowl, and pretty much underachieved up to and including the quality of team they built around him. And the second time and injuries caught up with Cam, the carousel stopped, and they all got fired. Ron gets credit for developing Cam, right? The best thing for Sean McDermott to do is to retire when Josh does to preserve his precious winning percentage. He signs a 5 year deal with the Browns to turn them around next, and he'll drop out of the top 15 like a rocket. I'm concerned we will be convinced that McD and co wasted prime Josh Allen and underachieved. Just like Miami failed Marino. And like I said, I'll expect an apology. Do you think losing to the Chiefs over and over in the playoffs has any effect on the players?

I have next to zero confidence. Good for you if you feel differently. I hope guys like Dawkins and Josh share your confidence when they suit up to face the Chiefs again. But my suspicion is that some folks in that locker room feel like "here we go again," at this point. Nah, but a decade from now, if we look back on Beane and McD like they look at Rivera and Gettleman in Carolina, I'll expect an apology.

My point is he's had 4 chances and hasn't, so I'm not confident that he can, especially in comparison to 4 other guys who have. Here's hoping the fifth time is the charm. If not, then maybe the 6th or 7th time will be.

Every single one of those teams isn't 0-4 with one of their worst defensive performances of the year against them. Exactly my point. Of that list of defensive coordinators, we are taking McD last to coach against Reid in the postseason, right?

I didn't. I was implying we are at a coaching disadvantage every January when we play the Chiefs which is why our defense is regularly awful in those games.

Sigh

Well, Ohio State won. That alone knocks it down 100 pegs.

Sorry just saw this. 0-4 with it consistently being one of the worst defensive performances of the season. Only 3 defensive starters remain from that 2020 team. Same result. I agree they lack some talent, but it goes beyond that. It's not just bad luck or injuries.