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What year did Jimmy Graham win a Super Bowl again? The rest of the TE’s listed are the two best TE’s of all time. If Kincaid is a Jimmy Graham-type, that just proves he’s not enough to win a Super Bowl, following this logic.

Stop trying to convince me to subscribe to bad strategies! The only way I consider paying Cook is if he starts catching 60+ balls a year.

How many folks in this thread laughing at the Vikings loved the Diggs extension for top 5 money 2 years ago? 90% conservatively.

The Green Bay approach was to draft 5 WR's over the last two years. Beane drafted 1 in round two. Probably not.

Sure but they would probably trade us JJ and Addison for MVS, Claypool, Shakir, Kincaid and Samuel. 5 good targets are better than 2 great ones, or so I’ve been told.

The best thing to do when you have a young QB is give him great targets so he can reach his potential. We did the exact same thing with Josh and Diggs lol

The top 3 RB’s in scrimmage yards 2 years ago were Jonathan Taylor, Najee Harris, and Austin Ekeler. Ekeler is washed, Najee’s career has hit a cliff, and Jonathan Taylor hasn’t cracked 1k rushing yards since. DO NOT PAY RUNNING BACKS. IT IS THE WORST INVESTMENT IN THE NFL.

The Vikings also have cheap good WRs. And they aren’t paying their QB Jordan Love money anytime soon,

No. Never.

All I know is that Ive long complained about our WR investments for the last 3 years. The Beane WR strategy has resulted in: Extending Diggs 2 years before his contract was up because he was the only real talent in the room Relying on inconsistent Gabe Davis on a week to week basis Trent Sherfield whiffing on passes in the playoffs, resulting in a loss. Trading Diggs and absorbing the biggest non-QB dead cap hit in history. Honestly, I have already been proven right, imo.

The way of the running back continues.

I think every would agree a first, two 2nds, and a fifth is more than a second, two fifths and a 6th. Of those 4 players, KC’s easy.

He didn’t draft Diggs. And yeah, I meant prior to this year. Here are the Chiefs WR’s drafted since 2020: 5th - Powell 2nd - Moore 2nd - Rice 1st - Worthy Here are the Bills WR’s drafted since 2020: 6th - Stevenson 5th - Shakir 5th - Shorter 2nd - Coleman

I don’t think Coleman does. But that’s a personal opinion and he’s on the team so I’ll hope his the best Bills WR ever.

brother, you are 0fer on the big off-season predictions this year. If you start arguing across multiple threads that there’s no way the Bills trade for a WR, it’s only gonna increase the odds, no matter how sound your reasoning is lol

Yes the Chiefs. They have drafted way more WR’s. Niners too. And Eagles. Cooper Kupp would’ve been the highest drafted WR in Beane’s tenure. No. What I would say is, “we need to rebuild the WR room, Diggs was a cancer and we finally have a couple of young cheap WR’s that may be worth $30M per season that we don’t have to decide to pay or not for YEARS, while Josh has an enormous cap hit.” I have been really really really consistent on this. I wanted the Steelers model on this. And guess what, maybe one of those guys turns into an elite threat? Or maybe even both! Do you know how you ensure you never land on an elite receiving threat? You don’t draft them. MVS will never be elite. Mack Hollins will never be elite. Samuel will never be elite. CLAYPOOL will never be elite. Hamler will never be elite. Ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever. The reason the complaints would cease is because it would be proof that Beane understands having good pass catchers is important. Something he has not proved to know outside of the fever dream of 2019-2020

then we don’t have an elite receiving threat on the roster? I don’t understand. You can’t say we’re forgetting Kincaid is on the team when we’re talking about elite weapons and then say Kincaid is not elite. If he’s elite, then we have one. If he isn’t, then we don’t. Right?

So you are saying today that Kincaid is elite? If that’s your take and you think Kincaid is already elite, and you’re right, then hey, we’ll be alright.

2023: Jayden Reed 2nd round - 64 for 793 and 8 TDs (Better as a rookie than second year Shakir). Dontayvion Wicks 5th round - 39 for 581 and 4 TD’s (Better than rookie year Shakir) 2022: Christian Watson 2nd round - 41 for 611 and 7 TD’s. (Better as a rookie than second year Shakir) Romeo Doubs 4th round - 42 for 425 and 3 TD’s. (Better than rookie year Shakir). I mean, there can be lots of reasons the Bills don’t win a Super Bowl. The defense can get rolled by the Chiefs again. Josh could miss the season. The question is, “what is the best strategy to win the Super Bowl?” If you think Samuel by himself is better than Harty and Sherfield, I COMPLETELY agree. Again, the question is: is Coleman/Samuel/MVS/Claypool better than Diggs/Davis/Sherfield/Harty? Did our offensive weapons get better or worse since last year? IMO, again, the answer is CLEARLY WORSE. Even if Diggs lost a step. And you know what, I wouldn’t really care if the weapons took a little step back this year to set us up for the future. Prior to the Diggs trade, I said it was a guarantee he was gone in 25. Beane ripped the bandaid off a year early. That’s fine by me to sell high and get a cancer outta here. But again, you could have 2 rookies learning and growing with Josh from a historic draft class that has had us talking WR’s for the last 8 months! Or they could’ve drafted another rookie last year or the year prior. Instead, Claypool and MVS will be gone in 25, regardless of how they perform. And we will NEED to get another WR because we have painted ourselves into a corner where everyone and their mother knows we are going WR in our first two picks. AGAIN. Beane’s strategy for WR seems to be “only draft them when you absolutely have to.” IMO, that’s a really bad strategy that the best teams in the NFL DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO.

Just FYI, we have -6M in space next year

Even if Coleman has a good rookie season this year, we enter 2025 with our biggest need STILL being WR. That's the real rub. The position group hasn't been fixed. And it feels like a really big missed opportunity with a historic WR draft. And sure, there's some risk in rolling out two rookie WR's to get significant snaps, but when the entire justification for the 2024 year is not going "all-in" but instead having a re-tooling, what better time to let the rookies make some mistakes and prove they can be better players than JAGs like Hollins or MVS? To me, it made total sense to come out of the 2024 offseason with 2 young WR's AND set the team up to be back to an upper echelon contender in 2025. Then you have two second year WR's with different skillsets with a year experience in the offense under their belt, a third year Kincaid who should be blossoming, and a contract year Shakir. That could've been special. Instead, we're hoping that Claypool and MVS can stave off their careers ending for one more year to end up back where we started.

You don’t have to go far back. Happened for the Packers last year. if you’d like to go back a little bit more, you can go to 2022 for the Packers as well.

They last 4 SB’s have featured Kelce, Hill, Evans, Godwin, AJ Brown, Devonta Smith, Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Cooper Kupp, OBJ, Deebo Samuel, Brandon Aiyuk. Bills fans - “we just need 3 Curtis Samuel’s!”

They didn’t have those same receivers in 21. Beasley got old. Brown had one foot out of the league and was cut. See, I don’t don’t believe you. I can’t believe that you think having prime Diggs, Davis, Beasley and half a season of prime John Brown wasn’t a big reason why Josh was so incredible in 2020. Just like why Mahomes was incredible when he had Hill, Kelce, Watkins etc etc. And yes, Mahomes counting stats particularly dropped when they traded Hill. But you know what they did? They signed JuJu. They traded for Toney. They drafted Moore, they drafted Rice, they drafted Worthy, they signed Hollywood Brown. They signed MVS when he was still young. This is so obvious. The team that won the SB twice with a much weaker receiving group after trading Hill have tried DESPERATELY to get their group to back that level. They haven’t had the success they were probably hoping for, but it wasn’t for lack of trying. And of course, retaining Kelce helps A LOT. The Bills saw that 2020 group get worse and worse and worse and did very little, with hilariously failed experiments like bringing back the corpses of retired Brown and Beasley, bringing in JAGs like Harty and Sherfield and culminating with the last of that 2020 group leaving, where our two early FA WR targets were Samuel and Hollins lol. This is all obvious. It was obvious then, which I was I have consistently hammered this point for the last 3 years. It’s even more obvious now.

do you think the “luxury” of 2020 had ANYTHING to do with the number of high quality receiving targets Allen had?