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They scored the 2nd most points in the league last year and were first in yards with, in your words, the wrong QB. How is that not worth every penny?

I thought I had seen it all, but a topic about Jaylen Waddle’s contract resulting in a post like this on page 2 is probably a new TBD record. This off-season is feeling a lot like peak drought days when the Bills would never draft a QB high and we had folks talking about how you don’t need to draft a QB in the first round, that it’s something that the terrible teams do, that Tom Brady was a 6th round pick etc etc. Havent seen this much whistling past the graveyard in a while.

Most elite TBD post I’ve read in a while.

I’m not part of any group. I don’t think the 2023 receiving group was good enough. I think there’s a distinct chance that the 2024 group is worse. I don’t like that. Yeah, I’ve already decided. Shakir is going into year 3. The chance of him turning into Diggs or AB 2.0 is probably pretty low. Samuel is a 7 year vet. He is who he is. Coleman is a relative unknown but I really don’t like his ceiling. He’s the “if he’s your #1, you don’t have a #1,” type player. I could be wrong. But I doubt it. You doubt it too I think, because you think WR will be a high priority again next year ALREADY. How can you argue this group is anything other than not good enough when you think replacing some of them is our biggest priority in 2025 lol

Brother, the post I was responding to was claiming the 2023 Bills was the best offensive grouping Josh has played with lol. I think you are arguing with the wrong person.

I agree that Diggs and Davis weren’t good enough. that’s why I REALLY don’t agree with trotting out a worse group this year lol.

Somehow it wasn’t as difficult the 3 years before. Global cooling?

This is very funny because this is evidence it’s more about Allen running than the OC resulting in wins. I don’t think they are gonna start slow. Huh

I would argue he needed to be Superman last year. Go look at the anomalies in the passing game.

I think that had a lot to do with Josh rushing 9 times a game. I’m not sure that’s a sustainable season long pace to win a Super Bowl, personally. Which I care a lot more about. I’m not worried about them starting slow. I’m worried about forcing Allen to be Superman from the jump.

Was that the Chiefs plan though? They have drafted Worthy, Moore, Rice in the last 3 years. Signed Juju, Brown, MVS etc. Traded for Toney. Traded for Hardman. I’d argue the Chiefs WR room the last two seasons did not go according to plan, at all. They failed to execute their plan. Intentionally copying the result of an execution failure is certainly one strategy lol.

That’s all well and good, but do you think it’s reasonable to say that Shakir is going to continue to be a rising star because he was pretty good under Brady post Denver, and also ignore that Josh Allen was a much worse passer under Brady post Denver? Like I said, I’m not killing Brady because I agree it’s not really reasonable to expect a whole new offense midseason. But is there any concern there at all? Josh was basically posting 2018/2019 numbers during that stretch.

That’s not really production though. I think there’s a good chance that dollar for dollar Keon Coleman does more for less money than Diggs did in 2023 but that’s really easy. If he has a $2M cap hit, that means he’d have to hit like 171 yards on the season to outproduce Diggs from a yards/dollars ratio. If he hits 200 yards, I certainly won’t say he’s wildly out producing Diggs lol. If Coleman has a more productive 2024 than Diggs did in 2023 I would be wildly surprised and it would be awesome. If he has an 800 yard season, I don’t think I’m gonna say he outproduced Diggs 400%.

I don't think having less yards, TD's or first downs is outproducing, personally.

1974 offense? I don't think QB's were running all that much. I think the vision for the 2024 Bills is the 2020 Pats lmao. The run Cam run offense where the leading receiver is Jakobi Meyers with 700 yards.

The TD's don't bother me much because Josh Allen is a red zone threat and if he runs it in or throws it in, it's still a TD. And in general, those can be sneaks or scrambles and he may not be taking hits. What concerns me is: Passing numbers fell off a cliff when Brady took over and we "spread the ball around." Running Josh at a 153 carry pace which would be a career high in a season for CAM NEWTON. I just feel like we lost the plot a bit. I commend Brady for making some adjustments and involving Cook notably more. I won't hold too much of 23 against him personally, because I believe its very difficult to make any big changes to an offensive system mid-season. But if we are gonna talk Shakir's numbers post-Brady, then we should also talk Josh's. Because from a passing perspective, he was MUCH worse. Pre-Brady Josh had a 70% completion percentage, threw 19 TD's and 11 picks and had a 96 passer rating. Spreading it around and going more run heavy with Cook and Josh himself didn't really help Josh IMO.

So are we just ignoring that Josh Allen played much worse when we did this? Pretty much every passing number fell off a cliff.

Having a bunch of good to great players to throw to is not a bad thing.

You know that's not outproducing Diggs right? Diggs had almost 1200 yards last year.

The offense was so talented in 2023 that Allen had to rush 9 times per game for the last 7 games to save the season and get us in the playoffs. For those keeping score at home, that’s a 153 carry pace on a full season. That would’ve ranked 37th in the NFL last year. Elite RB2 type numbers. And as much as Shakir and Kincaid “came on” during Brady’s reign, Allen had a putrid completion percentage of 60%, threw 10 TD’s to 7 INT’s, with a passer rating of 85. If this is Josh Allen released with Kincaid and Shakir as the focal points, it sounds like it’s gonna be a disaster lmao.

Another clear sign the position is going the way of the running back. Just forget this contract is almost $20M more than Derrick Henry’s career earnings.

yeah Allen has been absolutely elite in the playoffs since 2020. Can’t expect those numbers to be better. Honestly, I don’t expect those numbers to even continue with how incredible they are. IRT the “also ran” it’s because the margin for #1 seed and bye is pretty razor thin. Costing us 1-2 regular season games with TOs can result in not getting the 1 seed, which as we saw last year meant that Bernard got hurt in the wild card round and missed the next week.

Yeah but nobody thinks Tyrod is as good of a QB as Allen, despite the TO difference. The question is does Allen need to be middle of the pack in TOs to produce a ton of TD’s? Would you trade 2 less TD’s for 5 less TO’s? Maybe.