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Hill was only there for 2 of the 4 seasons. The Chiefs scored 1449 from 2020-2022. 483 pt average per year. The Bills scored 1439 from 2020-2022. 479 pt average per year. In 2023, the two ships diverged. Chiefs scored 371. Because of their crappy talent. Bills scored 451.

I think he’d have been the GOAT regardless. As evidenced by his ability to change those circumstances and win anyways.

I think Mara wanted Jones more than Schoen and Daboll did.

Yep. Brady would still be the GOAT. He has proven this. He won immediately without the GOAT coach in his 40s. Any argument against Brady being the GOAT is dead. So is Brady the GOAT?

We could probably try the “who has more yards in 2024, Franklin or Shorter” but I bet no one would want to play lol

FWIW Troy Franklin was given a prospect grade of 6.35 by NFL.com and an 84 by their Next Gen Stats. Justin Shorter was given a 6.12 and 54 by their Next Gen Stats.

I think there’s an argument that Brady would have been less successful and Peyton more successful than the way their careers shook out. Something like 4 rings to 3 in favor of Brady. I think that there’s ZERO chance that Peyton ends with 7 rings and Brady ends with 2. Zero point zero zero. that’s controversial as HELL lol.

If McDermott has 1 million fans, then I’m one of them. If McDermott has 1 fan, then I’m THAT ONE. If McDermott has no fans, that means I’m dead.

Can you just admit you’re a “Peyton Manning would be better than Brady if he was in New England” guy like @HappyDays. Just let yourself be free. He has a space at the table for you.

Brother, you were trying to argue that Chris Jones disrupting a pass into incomplete on 2nd and 7 was super impactful play. a forced fumble out of the end zone that kept 7 points off the board and gave Buffalo the ball back in a one score game was a fluke and doesn’t count. Because, reasons. Talk about setting up limited parameters. Name a play that Josh Allen did to win the game vs Kansas City last year, but don’t include his flukey TD’s. Because I said so. YES YES YES. Finally. My heart is full.

This argument has been happening since football has existed. I’m old enough to remember that Montana/Brady was a debate because Montana was 4-0 in the big one when Brady was 4-2. When Josh finishes his career with 1+ SB wins, they will absolutely be used by fans to rank him ahead of guys like Marino, Kelly etc etc.

If Josh Allen had 3 SB’s, I’m sure we would all hear about how QB wins aren’t real in this debate. I have found a new adage. “Folks discount QB wins only when their QB hasn’t won.” The forced fumble on the goal line was the biggest defensive stop in the entire game. Probably had the biggest impact on win probability of any defensive play that game. The Chiefs win probability was 79.1% before that play. “A bit flukey” that Poyer punched it out and legitimately saved the game. Of course, it doesn’t count really, because it’s inconvenient.

Dallas. Philly. San Fran.

I’m asking @DrDawkinstein because he asked the question, “We win consistently, sure. But how often in all those wins are we left thinking "wow, this team was ready in all phases and had great game plans and completely shut down the other team thanks to coaching" vs "damn, Josh really did his thing".” He set the terms of his argument, which I challenged. My personal definition of “ready in all phases and had great gameplans” included players not playing like ***** all year lol. If your argument is that the Chiefs WR’s played like ***** all year because they were *****, and not because Reid forgot how to coach, you are making my argument for me. Hey man, give me BB and Daboll post Giants firing in 2025 and I think we will cook with gas. I loved Dabs.

Oh right. I can’t believe how dissimilar the debates are between the top 2 QB’s of their era, one who has won multiple titles and beaten the other in the playoffs routinely though the first part of their careers paired with a HoF coach, and another who achieved statistical greatness without advancing nearly as far in the playoffs. Definitely apples to orangutans.

Think hard about what side of that settled debate you sound like.

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I guess I kinda thought execution errors like dropped passes and lining up incorrectly and running wrong routes was a part of consistency. I thought the WR’s being overall horrific and not being ready to play would be the opposite of “firing on all cylinders.” Maybe they were consistently bad and that’s a sign of consistent coaching? these are rhetorical questions of course. In McD’s career, they had that glorious 2020 year. The one where they lost on a flukey Hail Mary, then went 6-0 to end the year. In everyone single game, they won by double digits. They had two games they won by 20 and another they won by 30, where their opponent was a division rival in a win and in, and we benched our starters. I would argue that stretch was pretty consistent. They of course then beat the Colts then slaughtered the defending MVP.

Dan Morgan looks the worst and he had like 5 seconds of screen time lol. Was jangling around Burns immediately after Schoen was talking trades, asked for 2 ones then immediately dropped to “1 and stuff.” we all know he eventually took a second and fifth swap. Brutal.

You could ask the Chiefs the same thing. I’m not sure they had a consistent game in 2023 where they were firing on all cylinders.

No. Bass started off horrific, achieved some level of consistency between 21 and 22, then fell back into disrepair. He kicks 70% in the playoffs (33% from 40-49 yards) and is an even more depressing 89.7% on XP’s in the playoffs. Most overrated kicker in a long time. He ain’t no Hauschka or Lindell. He’s Dan Carpenter who turned back into a pumpkin.

Point made. Bills fans diminishing other players to prop up their own inferior ones. Man oh man, it would be so funny if history repeated itself today in a QB debate.

2011? He won 13 games and went the conference championship where they lost to the eventual champs by 3 points in OT. Got further than he ever did with Andy. Although, to be fair, that was when Andy was still a notorious playoff choker and managed to lose a playoff game they were up 38-10. what a success with Andy Reid lmao.

Smart teams draft players at high impact positions BEFORE they are crippling needs. I know this is shocking to hear. The Bills only draft those positions when they have no other choice. They’d rather save up those mid rounders for back up running backs.