Mikie2times

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Most of what I read has JP Losman as not only a totally class act but bonafide football savant. He is in coaching now. Not to say he was low character here, but I don’t recall him being held in high regard over character at the time. Perhaps one of the best examples of what could have been from the drought era.

Surprised Wilkins didn't go to South Carolina

I hope so too, still, watching somebody else doing it on Hard Knocks, I would be inclined to think it’s for the cameras a bit. The only way you ever really know is to follow him. He does this stuff all the time with no acknowledgement for it. The absolute best.

I saw this story on my FB feed. Not sure if it has already been posted. Not new, but impressive account of Elijah Moore as a person. As a player he has Beasley vibes when I watch him with those sudden breaks. That type of guy is an even better weapon in Brady’s system. Seems like a steal even if he only produces average output. It will be very important output and another rung on the leadership ladder. https://jetswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2021/11/20/tennessee-titans-aj-brown-suicidal-depression-new-york-jets-elijah-moore-ole-miss/79733517007/

But what about Moore?

Good to know

Ask somebody else the point. I don't have a horse in the race outside saying how he does on 20+ yard passes isn't doing a lot. If I had to guess, I would say he was better at these throws earlier in his career.

This isn't what the topic is though. Stats tend to do a very poor job at measuring the topic because of Allen. I don't have a horse in this race besides logic. Allen is generating an absurd amount of off schedule plays 20 yards or more downfield. Heck, he's doing it 40 yards or more downfield at times. The call out people have on Josh is can he hit a schemed deep ball 30-50 yards downfield in stride. The sort of play Bo Nix and Denver had to go up 7-0 in the wild card game or the sort of play JP Losman and Lee Evans did so well. It is a unique throw for a QB and we really don't have a lot of WR who do it well or even gain the separation. Ultimately I don't know the answer.

Just for measure, he also drafted Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Dwight Freeney. If you just compared his time with the Colts he has outperformed Beane and that wasn't during the 50 round draft era and it had Free Agency. He's one of the all time best NFL GM's. Not being at his level is far from an insult.

You have teams that are good now and you have teams that were good then. We have dynasties now and we have dynasties then. If you get a QB now you win and if you get a QB then you win. It's all relative. This fairly trash argument to be honest. Compare drafting for the first 7 rounds if you want. He's drafted over half a dozen hall of fame players. We are trying to get Beane to a couple All Pro's. This is one of the worst takes I've read on this forum to be honest and we have some fairly bad takes at times on here. We haven't even been to a Super Bowl for gods sake.

Based on what?

He went to 5 Super Bowls, won one, acquired over half a dozen hall of famers across three teams, including two hall of fame QB’s, took three separate teams to conference championships including a start up franchise. We compare different era all the time. Its not close, not remotely close. At this time Beane has selected one likely hall fame player. The impact of his roster as far as the weight Allen brings to is significant and you credit him for the move, but his full resume just isn’t near Polian. Not in any measurable way from talent acquisition to results. Maybe one day, but today isn’t that day.

Don’t hate the guy but hard no to Polian comp

With the amount of talented slots we have which could even include Coleman as a big slot or Kincaid from the TE position, if Shakir could get off the line or had the chops to give us anything outside it would be negligent to have not done so. He can't play outside. I think it's almost as obvious as asking the same thing about Beasley, Edelman, Welker, etc. Great players, they might get a look or two in certain formation, but usually off the LOS. They can't beat press coverage.

Maybe the video just slows down for me. Oddly, "this magic moment" also started playing when I clicked play.

This video is in regular speed

Agree, but at the time plenty wanted change to get away from the 4 losses. I remember people begging for the throwbacks.

Catch % is more of a byproduct of ADOT. RB's are always among the league leaders in catch %. In many ways YAC is influenced in similar fashion as passes closer to the line are intentionally designed for YAC (even though we know he's an elite YAC guy either way). Can he play outside? If the answer is no I don't think he can crack the top 30. In addition, we can't call any pass plays more than 10 yards down field and expect his talents to allow him to be open with consistency. That is a pretty serious issue if you rank him that high. He's a human pinball and probably the best WR in the league within 5 yards. Which is perfect for Brady and the Bills, but limiting as far as league wide comparisons. Which is why we see so much variance in what his value actually is. Some have called out mid 30's, which feels right. Probably top 20 in our offense. I think he's the most important player on our offense outside Josh and that includes Cook. He's always allowing us to stay ahead of schedule. Put Allen in 3rd and short and it's almost impossible.

I totally agree with this and it's pretty well documented as far as what the Bills envisioned with AJ. It's just sort of a bummer we draft a guy in the 2nd round with a clear need and have a multi year plan for him to basically get on the field. Then the end game is a 5-6 sack a year player. Even if he blows up, we lost his cost control years with the adjustment to his body. Such a limited path for success with this decision. If a pick that early is going to require that big of a transition I just don't see how he can be viewed as a 2nd round pick. That is a 4th/5th round pick type of strategy.

Look at what Baltimore did since he left. Its an offense that is easy to figure out and while he will get you at least a C/B offense, how he does it ensures it will go no further. Long term he is a huge weight that will keep that team down, especially Herbert.

Some of these answers are wild. People selecting Palmer or Moore over Keon. The formula is still in developmental mode, youth, potential injury, and general pedigree. Coleman, Cook, Kincaid, Sanders, Hairston, Brown. Bishop is still in the zone but hasn’t shown much. Some others. But I would take any of those names before guys like Palmer, Bosa, or Moore who have limitations. Sure you can choose to bet on one of them being a lotto card but the likelihood of it is infinitely smaller than just a young talented player figuring it out. We have several of those guys.

I want to play

They had arguably the greatest offense of all time with Moss that year. If a few things happen differently in one game they’re considered the greatest team in sports history. I’m sure they would have been just fine with a star WR long term if they went that route. Brady didn’t need it, that is what they proved. Ball was always going to an open player at light speed. They didn’t need a guy like Moss to make it work, but it would have been just fine either way. That one year it produced results like we have never seen before or since.