MasterStrategist

Careless decision making get GMs fired too. Let's look at your pont though, re: not getting over the hump: 1. Chiefs Div round loss 2021: you really think this was the offenses fault?! 2. Bengals loss 2022: offense struggled, alot of blame to pass around...including Dorsey. But again, the defense failed in thr biggest moment. 2 opening TDs, where the Bengals had zero resistance. Somehow I cant imagine how Dhop changes either outcome

Big question is "IF. Winning a SB with Dhop isn't some forgone conclusion, yes it improves our chances but by how much? We just dominated on offense most of LY, with a weak OL. Knox recovering from a major tragedy in his fam, losing our reliable slot receiver (no capable replacement), and a rookie OC getting trial by fire. And those teams that you referenced were stacked, in many ways that we aren't. Their missing piece was a QB. They had superstars on defense, very good OLs/etc. If you and others think Dhop is worth the future tradeoff, so be it. I'm not there.

Again, so many assumptions that aren't all going to happen. I'm all about this team getting better, and Dhop does that, but don't think the cap can be justified. This would be the definition of going "all in", and if it doesn't work, we'd be setting ourselves back fairly significantly in a few years. This would be uncharacteristic of Beane, and the type of move he'll get fired for if it doesn't pan out.

That's only a "guess", certainly not a sure thing. Everyone advocating for this trade should go look at our 2024 and 2025 cap, as it stands now. Spotrac, other sites all have this info. It's not pretty and Beane isn't going to kick the can too much further with certain high-paid players.

See this is the problem with not actually looking at the #s more closely.... "easy" is not the word to explain it. Our 2024 and 2025 cap situation is already very tight, will get significantly worse by converting a Dhop base salary to bonus....then in 2026 the voided years (which many suggest we do), accelerates to a 1-time dead cap...just when you're suggesting to have Davis' deal kick in. This is then assuming Groot/others will be difficult to afford at that point. Beane is an extraordinarily planned/strategic decision maker. He has these scenarios in front of him and seeing how this puts us in cap hell in a few years.

I would love to see you show me the #s on how we can afford Davis long-term, if Dhop is traded for... Agree with others saying this board is going to have some ppl go over the edge, once another week, 2 weeks, month goes by and we didn't trade for Dhop... It's great to have hopes for improving the team, but too many ppl buying into a false fantasy here and trying to "will this to happen" in their minds/rationalize it

Wow this is getting too deep... Let's all stick to overanalyzing Dhops next Insta post, bonus points for posting predictions from "random twitter sources"

Exactly. Beane needs to hit on this draft, throwing $$$ will come back to bite us in a few yrs

1. Jeudy - who I would trade a 2nd rounder 2. 1st round wr 3. 2nd round wr Hopkins $$$ is a big no for me, and would be surprised if Beane is doing anything but due diligence

Lol, exactly. I forgot about that one too. Ugh, alot of people just setting themselves up for disappointment on this one...

You are way overthinking player social media posts... this entire offeason, you've been treating like some Madden outcome, and linking the possibility/rumors to socials, ie: trading for: 1. Henry 2. Nuke 3. others? This isn't simply moving money around, to your 3rd point. This is a MAJOR decision to void/eat future cap, something Beane has strongly opposed. Since when is Oliver being traded?! Did he post something to IG too, that refences the desert, lol? Beane just said last week he hopes to extend Oliver and Gabe. Beane wasn't asked about Gabe or Ed. .he brought these 2 players up on his own (that we wants to extend them). That's way different than you thinking he's blowing smoke.

Haha, let's just say I don't overthink someone following another on socials/or overthinking someone's posts... Just this offseason, people overthinking social media of players...we've been rumored to : 1. Derrick Henry 2. Dalvin Cook 3. OBJ 4. Hopkins 5. Who is next? Can't wait for Josh to follow Patrick Mahomes, then Pat to post about Buffalo Wings...OMG, we might be trading for him

Let me make sure I have the facts...: 1. Hopkins posted on IG: Buffalo soldier and drinking OJ in Dallas 2. Hopkins follows Josh, then Josh follows Hopkins on IG 3. Beane has already said we are tight against the cap and not looking to mortgage the future 4. We just signed 2 Wrs, Beane specifically saying Harty is our ideal #4 WR 5. Shakir coming off an OK rookie season (for a 5th rounder), and likely projects well in the slot but hasn't proven much 6. To fit Hopkins under the cap, we likely have to get Arizona to eat ALOT of $s and/or mortgage future cap periods (ie: add fake or voided years, and convert base salary to bonus) 7. Beane has expressed a clear desire to re-sign Gabe, as recent as last week in his presser (which would be highly unlikely if we trade for Hopkins) Based on all of this, somehow it's becoming a rumor we are targeting Nuke?! Not to be rude but WOW, I hope some of you don't apply this level of "overthinking/overanalyzing" in your day job. Plenty of reasons to explain #1 and 2 above, not at all related to trading for him.

Certainly could use help in the trenches and Ed/Daquan might be gone after this season. Front office has done what they typically do heading into draft, give themselves options to pick BPA. MLB is such a critical piece to our defense, looks to be the direction for round 1 or 2. I've been in the camp of improving OL and WR room, but DL is equally an issue (Boogie, Epenesa, Settle - all not reliable). We have Groot, Ed (who most want gone bc of his salary), & Daquan healthy now. Von is no guarantee to be the same impactful player this yr. DL has been our downfall in the past 3 playoff losses, lack of pressure/struggle to stop the run. Sad, given what Beane has invested, but it likely needs more talent infused at both DT and DE. Could see Epenesa traded during camp.

Good depth signing and versatility/another weapon. Not a primary role, but I like building "pieces"/complementary players. Gives us 2 speed/YAC guys. Hopefully, Beane is targeting an early draft pick as well. That would round the WR room out nicely. Should always be adding a WR in the 1st few rounds, every year or so

Oline instantly looks better with a quick hitting passing game. A 1st round Wr will help that... Too many long developing pass plays. We lack anyone that can win 1-1, except Stefon. Help the Wr room, in turn helps thr playcalling and oline.

Yes on a Wr, and agree the top end talent isn't of years past. But....I'm a big fan of Flowers and Downs, and what they bring to the offense. Hyatt, I'm more iffy, because he's basically a replacement for Gabe...maybe that's what front office wants, but think slot versatility is more important/short passing game

Spencer Brown says hi. He's a talent, hasn't had a full NFL offseason until this yr. Sign a vet, just for insurance. Beane needs to stock the WR weapons. Josh needs help from other consistnrt playmakers, besides Stefon. Also a good position of value to draft round 1 and get 5 years

1st: Flowers or Downs. I'm higher on both these guys than most. 2nd: Hyatt (unlikely to be there), Rice, Reed, or Tillman. Depends alot on what the staff is looking for, ie: slot/outside and what they're looking to do with Gabe's contract/role.

Don't disagree about putting best players on the field. But they clearly like Neal/Cam at that backup nickle spot. Bigger areas to work on improving than backup nickle at this point.

Dane has never played slot, in his entire college and NFL career. Not 100% about Elam. But now we're talking about cross-training 3 players at a new position...who are young and still need time to improve at primary spot. Either trust Neal/Cam, or draft a better backup at nickle

I can see 3 "depth" signings prior to draft, ie: RT (Shell), Rb (Fournette), and a DE....that might be stretching it. But think that gives us some flexibility to focus on our top weaknesses in the top 4 rounds (WR, MLB, IOL, and DT). This means he absolutely needs to hit on a couple starter caliber players and key depth in the draft. This is going to be a different season of playing rookies, don't have the luxury of spending on vets. I'm hoping for a WR, MLB, OG/C, DT, TE, and S. Assuming we sign a RT to compete with Brown, Rb, and DE prior to the draft. We could really use an upgrade over Bates and Brown, but I think Spencer hasn't hit his ceiling and will be a good enough RT. Bates, he is what he is right now. I don't see how we run it back with our current group of WRs, biggest weakness.

Hunt might be looking for starter money. I like him, but not for above $3m per. Cap room going to make our decisions more critical. TBH, Fournette is a better fit if he'd do a 1 yr $2-2.5m deal. He's still got a little juice left and the type of runner we're missing. Cook should be our 1a, getting 60% of snaps. Bruiser type and Hines would round out the group nicely..

Offensiviely, the problem was going against the type of defense Cincy deployed, similar to the Jets scheme they ran. We need better short passing game and running in the interior. Same problem against teams that ran all out pressure, Miami will be tougher this yr and KC. To counter, we better interior line play and a more dynamic slot receiver. Defensively, agree...we played too soft on all levels. Again need better interior DL play. Daquan was a big missing piece, but we need another meanie in the middle. These are fixable, and already got 2 pieces. Need 2 more pieces in the draft/Fa

Agree. Actually already happened with the guy McKenzie was kept over (Ray Ray Mcleod).