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Seems to be "some" discussion about a trade for JJ. Is there a scenario we can create $16+m prior to draft? Which is about what we would need. I know Josh has some 2024 "cap savings" left on the table, but forget how much/other option if we indeed were trying to swing a major trade

Not even possible with our cap situation, even after June 1st- let alone prior to draft. We need to fit him under the cap, before we offer any extension. I think we stay put at 28, then trade #60 to Was for 78 and 100.

My Pitt media insider is saying Mims or potential trade back for Steelers. He's not perfect, but right more often than not. JPJ if trade back. He also mentioned Rd2 focus for Steelers is WR, hearing Roman Wilson or Pearsall.

There's one team that could help, if they want to trade up for 60....and that's Washington. 78 and 100 = 60 on Rich Hill chart. That would be a trade that Beane should do in a heartbeat. Give us a chance to add some combo of DL/S, where the value should meet the need

Even though McDaniel seems to love Worthy, I'll be shocked if Miami passes on OL, with their 1st rounder. There are only so many targets on offense to go around, and there will be great value for them at OL to pick from. They could easily hit the WR well in 2nd-4th to fill there #3 role. I'm definitely the highest on Worthy around here, and think there is a shot he's there at 28. But if BTJ is there, moving up like you laid out makes sense. Rd2, I'm back and forth. I think this is where we could go either direction. If we don't move up in 1st round, we could try getting close to top of round for a DL. If we move back from 60, I like Washington as a trade partner. We get 78 and 100 for 60. That puts us in a better spot to get value at DT/DL and S in round 3. Then I'd even make another trade in round 4, giving up both 4ths and a 5th to Ariz or Carolina, at top of round 4, to go grab another WR (say Baker is still there). That'd garner us: Rd 1: Worthy (possibly), Franklin as a fall back (possibly we move back 6-8 picks if comfortable with 1-2 more guys) Rd 3 (traded our Rd 2 to Wash): pick 2 from best remaining DL: Orhorhoro/Trice/Maason Smith at DL S: Kinchens/Bullard WR: Baker, Rice 4th: RB2 or S,DL,WR (whichever we don't land in Rd3) Gets us an extra pick on Day 2, and helps us address 1 more area of need.

Exactly, Samuel will be a nice complementary piece. Quick passes, his strongest skillset is YAC and gaining extra yards after contact (being a former RB). My concern is the downfield passing game. We have plenty of short to intermediate options. Downfield though, we don't have a single player that I trust to fill that role. Samuel, he can mix it up and win some 1-1s but not his strong suit. Shakir, he doesn't show the body control to me outside the hashes downfield. Down the seam against zone, ok. Hollins was brought in, he's done this in the past a bit but he's not who we want to rely on. We absolutely need 2 draft picks capable of winning downfield, be it speed or size/50 50 ability. Counting on 1 early pick is risky, with our current group and makes me think back to 2019 when Smoke was our only reliable guy deep...teams figured out how to defend our offense at the end. Need a variety of options.

I'm with you on Worthy, he was my guy even before the Combine. Knew he would crush the 40, he's going to have a Zay Flowers type season for some team (hopefully us). If he played on Oregon or another team with a legit QB, he'd be a top 15 guy. Agree it would be nice to draft a complementary tandem at WR, bigger bodied as you say. Someone who is a better blocker, can win downfield on 50/50 attempts and redzone. I like Tez and Coleman in Rd2, but don't think Beane will double dip that early. If we wait until 4th, I like Javon Baker alot. And some others that might slide due to it being a deep class.

Not sure why you keep saying "2 receivers". My point is simple: 1. Can't believe everything Beane is saying right now. A couple years ago he mentioned counting on Boogie to take hold of a starting DE spot. Then proceeded to sign Von. Same example about talking up Dane, then drafting Elam. He's always propping his current guys and expecting more of them. 2. Beane is going to draft more WRs. Likely 2. So when you say we have "2 receivers", that won't be the case in 9 days. Our core group for passing targets is likely to be: Samuel, Kincaid, Rd1 pick, Shakir, Rd 4 pick, Cook, Knox As to who those 2 draft picks will be, that's anyone's opinion as of now. My "hope" is they take: Rd 1: Worthy (if there), or Franklin Rd4: Javon Baker Gives us 2 legitimate downfield threats, both guys would be versatile to move around the offense (as Beane/Brady seem to want). They complement each other's skill sets well, ie: Worthy or Franklin are separators/lean/rely on speed and quicks.... Baker is stronger built/capable blocker/50 50 downfield guy, with good speed. So when Beane makes it sound like the Justin Shorters or Andy Isabellas of our team are to be relied on, that's just GM speak to me. We've seen nothing from any of the guys you listed that provides what we need. More likely they're battling for the last WR spot with Hollins, or against each other if we keep 6. Either way, not a significant impact to our success in 2024

No argument here, about needing more weapons on offense (regarding your point on prior years). All in agreement there. I just don't think any of the guys you listed are capable, and also think this is typical "Beaneisms" this time of year. Kincaid/Shakir are the only young ascending players. Question is still out about their ceiling/development this season. Beane would be smart to take 2 WRs in one of the deepest classes in quite a while.

Beanes done this discussion almost every offseason leading to draft, be it at DE or CB. I do think he's counting on Kincaid to take his game to the next level. And for Shakir to become more consistent, especially at beating man coverage and zone reads. But at the end of day, Beane is going to use the draft to fill 2 WR spots (likely a 1st and 4th rounder, IMO). Focus being on separation/down field threat/versatility.

JMO, if Beane is willing to part with the Diggs 2nd rounder.....then, possible trade teams at top of 2nd: 1. Car: I've outlined in other posts what I think is best 2. Ari: a team with two 3rds, we could give up #60, 2025 2nd, both 4ths, and our highest 5th. For- their 2nd, one of their 3rd rounders, and their 4th To your point on DL, that gives us a chance to land someone at top of 2nd, such as Fiske. Beane I think considers that or if Darius is still there. Say we do that with Ari: 1st: WR- Worthy or Franklin Ari 2nd: Fiske Ari 3rd: Best safety remaining Ari 4th: RB or DE or WR Might be a pipedream but draft value would be close. That would hit our key needs and give us impact guys at WR, DL, and S/RB

@Hou on SNF for Week 1, is my guess. The Diggs drama VS Bills new WRs, the up & coming Texans VS contender Bills, 2 great/young QBs, Texas market ratings. If not week 1, definitely sometime early in the season on SNF

I think it was somewhere between 430-530 (est) Sorry just checked some posts from LY (Alex Austin pick occurred around 6:50 est). 7 more picks after him, then draft finished. So probably 730 ish

Fair points, always appreciate you opinion man. I'm higher on Worthy than most. I see ALOT of Zay Flowers in his game, who I liked more than Jordan LY. Also see some Jordan/bit of Tyreek. But again mostly Zay, and think he'll have just as much impact/success in our offense as Zay did for the Ravens. Other than top 3 (and I'd take BTJ obviously over Worthy), Xavier has the best "suddenness" in his routes. He's just not a deep threat, but can break off the routes inside/outside/curls (stem tree) the best. He's not breaking a ton of tackles, but if he gets a block and makes the 1st man miss, he's an instant homerun threat on bubble screens/short routes too. I'm thinking there's a 35% chance he makes it to us (simple math: 70% chance Miami passes on him for OT and 50% Dallas passes on him for OL help). Franklin is my #2 option. Then a very slight drop off to Ladd, Polk, Mitchell in that order. After that, I have a bunch of WRs lumped together: Wilson, Legette, Coleman, Tez

Exactly what Beane has been saying this offseason. But I think we need 1 solid #2, to pair with Samuel and Shakir at WR. Kincaid/Samuel/Rd1/Shakir is a very good group. Add a WR in RD4, say we draft Worthy or Franklin then look for size/blocking. That's basically what we need to have a full complementary group. That also boasts Cook, Knox, and likely some additional RB/WR targets.

I know you asked @Alphadawg7, who also had great info about Addison/Bills link LY. I agree Franklin's comp is Addison/Tank Dell, but more Addison. I think Franklin (and Worthy for that matter, who I like even more) needs to add 5-10 lbs of muscle to his frame, which is definitely doable. Franklin fits as a strong #2 option, which is what we need. Kincaid/Samuel/Shakir/Franklin would be a very good group. However, if Worthy would be there at 28, I think he's the pick.

Going to depend who that trade back is with. I see 4 teams that would likely draft a WR with picks 29-38 (plus whoever is trading up for 28). I'd much rather use our 2025 2nd (our or Minnys) to move up from pick 60

Agree. I also think, as Beane mentioned, is the talent/immediate impact players usually drop off around 50-60. I see this year as putting that line around 50. As we saw in our TBD mock drafts/etc, pick 60 is OK but it'd be more advantageous to find a way in top 10 picks of RD2. I've been a big advocate of a RD2 tradeup, as opposed to Rd1. Think that is much easier to achieve, with the extra pick from Diggs trade

Trading up in Rd2 sounds like a real possibility, as many on here like myself have discussed. Car makes a TON of sense, given Beanes connection with Dan and that they have 2 early picks in the round. Buf: Our 2025 2nd (from Minny) + #60 + #128 Car: #39 + #101 (plus a possible 6th in 2025) This would allow us to 2 picks in the top 50, where I see a solid talent drop-off. And the top pick of Rd4: possibly a WR, S, DL, RB (depending on how we use #28/#39) that has slid.

It's easy to read too much into comments this time of year, and perhaps Beane is trying to throw off other teams. But, when I heard him talk about medicals and "we" (fans/media) question why they passed on a player (who has great highlights/media projections), along with mentals/versatile/unselfish. Just gets me thinking a guy like Mitchell is not the target. He isn't very versatile, IMO, his lack of effort on plays/talk about his diabetes/etc Again, could be overthinking it. But I'm hearing versatile and guys I immediately think of at 28 or early RD2: Worthy, Franklin, Ladd, Coleman.

Nice work @Alphadawg7! I'm biased, bc I'm a big fan of Worthy and the impact he could being to this offense/Brady's scheme. Beane has moved in front of Dallas before and perhaps he will again. JMO, I'm not a fan of trading back in this draft. Rather move up "modestly" in Rd1 and/or make a big jump in Rd2 (ie trade next yrs Diggs pick to say Car for their 2nd selection in Rd2, acquire their top fourth pick as well). If the right DL is still there. I agree on S being a nice add in 3rd round, if we move back. But I could see in my trade scenario, of finding a good prospect at top of 4th. Fun time of year, lots of options with the extra pick next yr now

I'm a big fan of Javon. I think he's a great fit for us as a situational pass rusher (wide 9 type). He has the lower body bend/balance to arc to the QB, has great explosion. His size worries me in the run game, but I think he has 8 sack potential as a rookie in our system. His long arms is a big trait in what Beane looks for as well. His get off is better than anyone we have, except Von (if he regains prior form). Just think Javon makes a ton of sense. As a 4th rounder, he's better value than Chop at 28, IMO. I think Javon is in play for Gmen at top of 4th, I'd preferably like to trade both of our 4ths to Arizona to get ahead of them

Frank Gores kid and Isaih Davis are two guys that fit our mold in a rotational role/backup. I agree 5th round is a nice sweet spot for landing a rotational backup

I think Javon Solomon is a strong possibility, in the 4th. Might require a small tradeup but he's someone I think the Bills are interested in. Looking for a guy to compete as a 4th/5th edge player. Top 3 are locked in and Coohill might be a better fit than I'm expecting, or Jonathan makes a jump. But I agree, it's not deep at all at Edge in this draft class. If we draft past the 4th round, it's probably competing for the last DE spot. I think if we land Solomon, he could add some pass rush juice sooner than later, but might be limited to mostly pass downs. To me, ideally we land: Rd1: Mitchell, Worthy, or Franklin Rd2: Roke or Maason Rd3: trade into 3rd (next years pick from Diggs trade) for Kam Kinchens or another safety Rd4:trade up for Solomon Use rest of draft on OL, CB, RB. That addresses our major/minor needs. Once we get to the 5th round especially, I see us going RB/CB - two positions where depth roster spots are open. We're fairly set on OL, could always use upgrades but don't see it happening until late.

100% agree and I mentioned that in a post. Not expecting Floyd production, but 5-7 sacks. Thinking Ogbah is a strong possibility, or a lower chance for Yannick. I'm hopeful we land one of these post June 1st, on top of drafting a DE in the 4th-6th range to compete with Casey Toohill and Kingsley