Ethan in Cleveland

I can agree with Sanders as best ever. I prefer more dual threat RBs like Thomas and Tomlinson but on pure rushing ability Sanders may indeed be the greatest. In terms of pure rushing I would say it is Sanders, Brown, OJ as my top 3. I would argue Simpson's 2003 yard 1973 season is the greatest rushing season and will never be close to being duplicated. His 143 yards/game is 10 yards higher than Jim Brown in second place and 15 yards per game better than Sanders best season.

What a timely thread. I was rewatching Bills KC with Kelly, Thurman, Bruce, Montana, and Allen. I almost started a thread on most underappreciated HOF players. Marcus Allen doesn't get nearly enough publicity or recognition amongst the greats of all time. My guess is because so many dual threat RBs came in quick succession with Faulk, James, and Tomlinson. But Marcus Allen and Thurman did it better than anyone in their era.

You know two of the five are gone right?

I dont understand the criticism the Jets are getting here. If the Bills had drafted the wrong Josh, would they have not given White and Oliver contract extensions? I thought the idea was to draft well and sign your own guys. Of course everyone wants to get a QB, but you dont let good to great players out of your franchise. I'd be fine arguing that neither of these guys are the best at their respectove positions and that the Jets overpaid. That's a fair and valid argument.

White signed an extension making him the highest paid CB in the league at the time. https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-sign-all-pro-tre-davious-white-to-a-four-year-extension

Pretty sure Von and Amare have not signed yet...break the glass in case of emergencies???

That team may have had the worst OL and worst WR group in franchise history. You can't mention those misses and not mention trading for Diggs who was a top 3 WR in the league when he was with the Bills. He has had pieces of the OL figured out during his tenure but not until last year did it finally all come together with a good mix of young and veteran talent.

Oliver is a solid starter - he can dominate for a few stretches of series but not much more than that. If he's taken in the second round its a great pick. He's a disappointment as a top 10 pick.

Interesting take. I am expecting Kincaid to have a great year. Bishop is an interesting choice. If he can't beat out Hamlin this traininh camp then he's almost in the hustle category already. I almost picked Cook for the same rationale as Allen. No way Cook scores 20+ TDs again. However I could easily see him have more total yards than last season. Moore is a really interesting case. Could be a real nice pickup by Beane. Glad he listened to the radio guys!

Improve : Im sticking with my pick from last year. O'Cyrus Torrence will look much better this year. Honorable mention Curtis Samuel - when healthy late last year he was an effective WR downfield not just on WR bubble screens Regress: Taron Johnson. I thought he slipped last year and I'm afraid he may be showing age/wear and tear. Honorable mention Bernard. I hate small linebackers. He wasn't nearly as good last year as the prior. I could see his body breaking down. Hope I'm wrong or that contract becomes a massive albatross

Hamlin and Gilliam are two guys that should have been gone a long time ago. A virtual lock both will be on the team. Hopefully Lewis is the odd man out. Hes awful at times but makes a few plays every once in a while. He has PS written all over him. He won't make any other roster in the NFL but he would be a good call up for an injury on the defensive backfield.

After he left he won AP defensive player of the year. Maybe he was right to blame the safeties???

1984-1985 was rough. How could you have any interest in Joe Dufek and Vince Ferragamo? All this while Kelly was in Houston. Those were the two darkest years in franchise history.

Outside of QB, Oline has to be the hardest to evaluate. The college game OL play is nothing like the NFL. Its all 2 point stances and spread offenses. Some physical traits are needed to play OT like wing span and foot movement. Outside of that its all player development.

On paper. But their moves look good Yeah but he got much better as the season went along. First month he was really struggling. Hope he hits the ground proverbial running this year.

Nobody woukd put Odunze and Jr in the same class as Coleman at this point. That may change. Like others have said, make Coleman go watch Anquan Boldin video. If Coleman is a low tier #1 WR that is plenty good enough for this offense. I still have hope for Kincaid but my favorite player besides Allen is Knox. I hope Knox still gets plenty of chances. Kelce is in decline. Cook is the best skill player on both those teams. By year's end Kincaid will probably produce more than Kelce. Shakir is probably a better #3 WR than the Chiefs but their 1,2,4, and 5 are probably better than the Bills.

Uh oh Bill Barnwell just called the Bills WR group the worst in the NFL. Beane is going to have another explosion. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45679684/ranking-nfl-teams-wr-te-rb-groups-2025-season-best-players-playmakers-offense

A bit?? Its crushing!! And its not revisionist history either. We were all screaming for him in real time during the draft. He's the second best player on the team in my opinion. Guys like Brown, Benford, Dawkins, Shakir and Rousseau are in that conversation as well.

Thank you. Thurman could pass block but he was devastating as a receiver. Cook will learn to block but as you said let him release as a safety valve. Josh will find the open guy and beat the blitz far more often than not.

Too high for Tua. He's no longer top 100 if he ever was. Seems a bit low for Cook. He's a top 4 RB in the league. I'd say somewhere in the 55-70 range would be more accurate. Brown is a top 3 RT. Dawkins played well last year as well. Will be interesting to see where they land. Benford is not a lock down man to man corner but he is very good. i think these ranking favor the guys who play in more man to man systems. Wil be interested to see if Taron Johnson makes it. At one point he was top 2 nickel in the league. I think his play has fallen off a bit the last two years, but still very good.

Bills got younger on the DL. They should be better. They have major question marks in the defensive backfield at CB#2 and both safeties, but they have options there. WR group has a few question marks as well. This whole off-season may have had a different vibe if Andrews catches that 2 pt conversion. Same goes for if Kincaid doesn't drop that final pass.

R u saying he acted out when with the Bills? There were no reports or even whispers about that. Of course we don't hear everything. But I think it is accurate he started on the bottom of the roster and was getting more and more reps.

Im embarrassed to learn that Moulds was traded. I missed that entirely. I had no idea he was with Texans and then the Titans for final two years of career.

100% agree!

Reed was great but I'd have to go with Slater. Slater is an all time great OT.