Ethan in Cleveland

Don't really understand the Reich love. There are people that wanted him to play over Kelly. All fanbases fall in lovexwith the backup QB at onextime or another. He had two magical moments (college and NFL record comebacks) in an otherwise forgettable career. Remember he threw a pick six to start the second half to make the deficit even worse. It's debatable if he is even a good OC/HC. He didn't call the plays for the Eagles SuperBowl win. He was a failure in Indianapolis. I don't blame him for the Carolina debacle ( the owner seems like a moron). Diggs is in the conversation for best Bills WR of all time. He did things that Reed, Moulds, Butler, Dubenion, and Evans never did. Fitz is Fitz. A terribly flawed QB that is an incredibly likeable person.

Agreed. Besting Brady when still in their dynasty was amazing!

So you should want to win now. Go for the proven commodity! Manning won with Harrison and Wayne. Young and Montana had Rice. Brady and Mahommes had two of the three best tight ends in NFL history. Brady had two of the best slot WRs in NFL history in Edelman and Welker. People act like Brady and these other QBs did not have weapons. They played with some of the best players at their positions in NFL history. Maybe Kincaid is in that category. He certainly has started career well.

1. Jefferson is a top 3 WR and a proven superstar. He's still young and has many years of superstar status 2. The draft is a lottery and there is no guarantee the two young players will be any good 3. I want to win now at all costs. 4. Yes they did the same thing with Diggs and it worked nearly perfectly. He was a top 3 WR and the offense was amazing.

They can convert his salry to bonus and sign him to an extension to fit him in the cap this year. I think. Plus you give up #28 so no cap expense for that pick. I think it would be doable with the cap savings you get next season by trading Diggs.

Good thread. I don't know how the pros look at WR but to me I see body size and route trees as the differentiator. To me Samuel is closer to what Diggs was. I think they still need to replace what Davis didn't pan out to be. A guy that can get deep and be a big body on deep crossing routes. They have enough small fast guys that can find holes in the zones. They need a guy that takes the top off the defense and forces them to play 2 deep safeties. That opens up all kinds of things underneath and helps the run game.

No it isn't. Calling Brady fiery and OBJ out of control is lazy and borderline racist. The media does this all the time. Manning got in shouting arguments with Jeff Saturday. Go watch the video Manning is being a jerk to Saturday. Does that show emotion and leadership or immaturity? Or is it two guys that are competitors and at the end of the day respect each other and can move on after the game. Again winning cures everything! If you are a winner this behavior is tolerated and even lauded. Case in point your response to me including Brady. When you lose then it gets dissected and critiqued usually in a negative light.

Honest question. How do you really evaluate a WR when they have garbage QBs throwing to them? I'd pass based on injury history but you would really have to dig in and decide how much of that is bad luck of a chronic issue. As an aside Bills are going to have the same issue evaluating Rousseau as he seems to be injured every year and production decreases as the season wears on.

Excellent points! We have no idea what was said. Maybe Diggs was being a condescending dick. Maybe he wasn't.

So if the white QB yells at the black WR on the sideline it's ok. But if the black WR yells at the white QB it's a no no. Got it! I saw Brady yell at his guys multiple times on the sideline and nobody ever called him a diva. Mahommes and his WR argued on the sideline during the SuperBowl. Kelce argued and pushed his coach. All water under the bridge because they won. And lastly, why do kickers get a pass. Norwood cost us a SuperBowl. He failed his biggest moment in his professional career. Yes Levy, Talley, and Kelly were just as culpable for losing SuperBowl XXV but why does Norwood get a pass? Why should Bass be absolved. He didn't do his job, maybe somebody should have gotten in his grill so he fixes his issues.

Trade for Justin Jefferson. Minnesota is in full rebuild mode and a single WR won't get it done. Give them #28 and a fourth this year, and give them back their #2 in 2025. That should be enough.

Kelce brothers did podcast during the season. Did you call them out?

Huh? Montana won two SuperBowls without Rice. Seriously, one of the least informed posts of all time.

Yeah this was my take. The fact he may go top 4 is insane. Harbaugh is probably laughing his ass off.

You could trade for him then extend him to get under the cap. It's doable. I wouldn't do it. Jefferson is the trade target for a long-term investment. If not Jefferson, then just get your WR from the draft.

Agree! But looking at Kincaid's frame I don't see a TE that can do everything like Gronk or Kelce. Doesn't mean he won't be an elite player though.

Hopkins made 33 of 36 kicks and 8 of 8 with Bojo holding for him in 2023.

Was there ever a hold that looked bad? Nope. People are turning holding into some mythical artform. Any idiot can do it. We'll anyone but Romo. Bass was awful last year but he already signed an extension. He's not going anywhere. Only hope is he gets better.

Hope you are right. Shakir does a lot of things well, most notably catching the dam football. The problem will be Kincaid and Shakir will compete for similar routes and touches. I could easily see Shakir catching more passes than Samuel especially if they draft a true#1. I could see Shakir and Samuel both right around 70 catches with the rookie maybe getting 40 or so. Diggs and Davis combined for 152 receptions and the spare parts of Sherfield and Harty added 26 in 2023. Kincaid had 73 and Knox only 22 missing several games. If you figure Knox gets closer to 35 and Kincaid maybe gets 75, then you can easily get Shakir and Samuel around 70. This takes the pressure off the rookie in year 1 but still gives him room to contribute.

Kincaid can't block anyone. Not sure why people think he is TE #1. Sadly Knox has not developed into the receiving threat of an elite TE, so Brady will need to figure out a way to use them both. Knox is not going anywhere after taking a pay cut. If Beane pulled that stunt he destroys his reputation in the locker room and with the agents. They have been and always will be different positions on the team. In fact when his contract is up Kincaid will argue like other flex TE's have that he should be paid more in line like a WR and not a TE.

Nabers is so good he might get drafted before MHJ. It would be a shock but not crazy. Honestly I can make a case for a move like this or just sitting tight. Giving up next year's #1 just to get a WR at 18 makes little sense. Either go big or just sit tight and take a WR at 28.

Beane is not perfect and he is no genius. I have liked most of his offseason moves over the years. I have posted my disagreements with his choices. In many cases I was proven wrong - Bernard for sure. I hated the Oliver pick and didn't like the extension. Oliver is not a top 10 draft pick talent but he is very good. I hated trading Diggs and I hated Epenesa pick and now extension. I actually like the Benjamin trade and the Miller signing. Really like the Knox deal as he was one of my favorites though he simply has not developed. He has been elite at getting guys to rework their deals. His two flaws are giving up too many picks moving up in the draft and until this last year he failed at building a OL. The problem is KC has a better team and a better HC. In almost every way we are the Manning/Dungy Colts. Our only hope is Allen can win at least one Lombardi

Cmon man, Poyer and White were here before Beane got here

Go get Jefferson. Vikings are in full rebuild mode. Their 2nd round pick is going to be in the mid 30s at worst. Give them 28 and that pick and you still keep your first round pick in 2025. That still also preserves your 2nd round pick in 2025 for a second WR, Edge or safety.

He gave up a second round pick. And he could have just stayed where he was and taken Fred Warner or Shaquille Leonard without giving up any picks. Vander Esch was gone at 19 but may have been there ar 21 if Dallas took Edmunds.