CincyBillsFan

He's 0 - 1 versus Burrow in the playoffs. If you're going to include regular season games so you can say Allen is "0 - 2 vs. Burrow" then you have to include the regular season between Allen & Mahomes where Allen is 3 - 1. BTW when Dan Marino kept losing to Jim Kelly in the playoffs did we say that Kelly was a better QB then Marino?

Nick Wright will fit right in.

I agree. From my POV Allen and Burrow are equal with both being elite. Any advantage that Burrow may have on ball placement, accuracy and reading coverage is easily matched by Allen's stronger arm, superior running skills and ability to escape pressure. And while Burrow has one Super Bowl appearance Allen has not missed a game in over 5 seasons. As they say, availability is the most important ability. Sure you can blame the Chargers ownership but Herbert has been blessed with excellent offensive skill players the last couple of years. In last season's 31 - 30 playoff loss to the Jags Herbert could only manufacture 3 second half points. IMO Herbert is clearly on a lower tier then Allen & Burrow who are side by side just below Mahomes.

And to anyone paying attention this years Chiefs super bowl win owes more to their defense then to Mahomes or the offense. If the Bills D played as well as KC's did this season in either 2021 or 2023 Buffalo would have at least one Super Bowl.

If you want to have a "reasonable discussion" maybe you should stop calling it "hero worship" when some of us disagree with your takes on Allen? Look, I don't think there is much Allen can do going forward to improve his physical tools. IMO the best use of his time the first couple of months after the season ends is exactly what he appears to be doing: relaxing and decompressing from football. I also think Shaw has identified the one place where Allen could significantly improve and that's in his decision making. But experience will go a long way towards fixing this. Where I disagree with Shaw is that I don't think this deficiency is as important as he does. I believe that Allen is already playing at a level, including decision making, that would win the Bills Super Bowls if the coaching and play from other top Bills talents matched Allen's play in the playoffs. I sense that you don't like Allen's style of play. Here's your quote abut Favre from above: "But I think one can argue Favre cost his team championships with his gunslinger approach." I disagree with this because you are saying that Favre would have been better if he changed who he fundamentally was. IMO he would not have been better and maybe would have had a mediocre at best career if you had your way. From what I can tell you want the same thing for Allen. Well said. When someone like Shaw or Beck point out areas that Allen could work on they do it from the POV of being Bills fans and wanting the team to get better. They also do it without malice aimed at Allen and in full recognition that the path to a Bills Super Bowl might be more likely achieved if Allen tweaked his game then if other parts of the Bills organization pulled their fair share. These are all debatable points but IMO form the basis for an honest, positive discussion about Allen and his play.

Judas Priest now the criteria is SOLE REASON? I don't have time to play games. There are plenty of posters who call out Allen as a problem keeping the Bills from advancing further then they have. None of them are saying he's the sole reason but time after time they claim or insinuate that Allen's play is limiting the Bills. And every time I see this I call out BS, because that is exactly what it is. If you're truly happy Allen is the Bills QB then why do you insist he has to improve for us to reach the next level? On any rational list of what the Bills must do to get over the hump Allen playing better is #99. And please enough with the "everyone can improve" shtick. It's true but completely irrelevant to Allen and the Bills. IMO even if Allen improves as much as he can it won't matter to the Bills getting over the hump if they don't significantly improve other areas of the team. In other words we homers believe that Allen has played more then well enough to win multiple Super Bowls if other parts of the Bills team & coaches improved their game. That's where the focus and discussion needs to be.

Actually quite a few posters over the last couple of months have been saying exactly that. And then when some of us get pissed off and call them out for it you and others accuse us of "hero worship". And for the record no one is saying Allen can't get better, we agree that everyone can improve. What we are saying is that Allen is near peak performance as a QB and he is the LAST THING preventing the Bills from taking the next step and winning a Super Bowl.

Not hard to hear at all. In fact this is very enlightening and tells Bills fans exactly what needs to get better to beat Mahome & the Chiefs in the playoffs - and it ain't Allen. Here's the counter thought to this - in the head to head match ups Allen has played as well as Mahomes in 2 of the 3 games. Factors other then Allen is why the Bills lost both games.

Sorry but yours is not a serious post. If we're going to play the "what if" game how about the 3 dropped long passes, and yes in the NFL I've seen all those catches repeatedly made during the season, that cost us at minimum 10 and probably 17 points. And if you're going to go on about Poyer's fumble keeping the game close, how about the terrible coverage and missed tackles that handed KC 14 of their points? As for the 4th quarter, the Bills would not have been shutout if Diggs catches that TD pass or Bass makes that 44 yard field goal. IMO in all 3 playoff losses to the Chiefs Allen was the least responsible of any Bills player for those losses. Tell me who you think played better then Allen in any of those 3 games? And in any of those games did the Bills coaches outperform the Chiefs coaches?

And you can throw Reid & his coaches in there to. BTW check out Allen's stats after the last 2 playoff games against the Chiefs: 515 passing yards with 5 TD's & 0 INTS; 140 rushing yards on 23 carries with 2 TD's & no lost fumbles. That's 655 total yards with 7 total TD's and 0 turnovers. If you throw in the 2020 AFC companionship game against KC Allen has in his 3 playoff games against Mahomes: 1030 total yards with 9 total TD's and only 1 turnover. Anyone claiming Allen is the reason why the Bills can't get past KC or that Allen must work harder in the off season so he can get past Mahomes should have their NFL football fandom revoked.

No he won't. In his last two playoff games against Mahomes Allen played great. The problem is that the coaching and/or some of the rest of the team did not rise to the occasion. Look at Allen's game stats for these 2 games and tell me he has to play better? This entire thread is madness.

Very good. Given where the Bills sit with respect to the salary cap I think they had an excellent off season. As Bills fans we know that the losses while sad did not really hurt the team. I'm thinking that replacing Morse will be the trickiest part with the most potential downside. But any Bills fan knows that Morse was undersized and that caused problems against teams with monster DT's.

The injury reasons you cite are not only great points but I would go as far as saying that the Bills medical staff have set conditions for what Allen should and should not do after the season ends. We know he had injuries the last 2 seasons to his elbow and/or shoulder and it stands to reason that there were restrictions to how much throwing he should do from February through April. I would be shocked if the Bills medical people hadn't put restrictions on Allen throwing the football during these 3 months.

Are you basing this on Allen doing a lot more commercials then Mahomes in the off season?

You can't read my post without first seeing and understanding the CIRCUMSTANCES in which the Bills off season started. When you have been a division winner and final 4 - 8 finisher for 4 straight years the off season isn't about getting better as much as it's about staying at the top.

Under the circumstances the Bills have had a top 5 off season so far. They re-signed the two guys from the team they had to; they added a high quality offensive weapon, they solidified their coaching ranks; they got their CAP under control and basically Belichecked several players who were on the downward trajectory of their careers.

I don't believe it either but my daughter in law who is a big Bengal's fan says it was blowing up her social media!

Down here in Cincinnati this is big news today: http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Jefferson-to-Bengals-rumors?page=2 Supposedly it would involve Higgens and 2 1st round picks to land JJ from the Vikings!

Or maybe the poster is simply a moron trying to convince the rest of us about how football illiterate they are.

Russel Wilson would be a great addition!

People forget that McD/Bean gutted the Bills offense for the 2018 season. That unit was bad. The fact that Allen showed glimpses of the great QB he would become with that group around him is amazing in hindsight. A lot of rookie QB's would have been knocked out of the league facing what Allen faced his rookie year as a starter.

A lot of people would have said something like this about Mathew Stafford when he played at Detroit. Then he was traded to LA and won a Super Bowl. You might want to look at coaching & the Bills roster rather then Allen here.

I believe that the Chiefs would have had a better regular season record with Allen at QB this season and still would have won the Super Bowl.

You can absolutely say that Allen's has been at a disadvantage versus the Chiefs during the last "few years" if you define "few" as 3 years. * During the 2021 season the Chiefs had Kelsey AND Hill, and Andy Reid, enough said. * During the 2022 season the Chiefs had Andy Reid and one of the top 3 rated offensive lines in the NFL the Bills had one of the worst, enough said. * During the 2023 season for the first time in Allen's career he had similar talent as Mahomes on the O line & among his skill players. And the Bills beat the Chiefs during the regular season, finished ahead of them to gain home field advantage in the playoffs and then only lost the game when their FG kicker missed a 44 yard kick in the last 2 minutes. Oh and Mahomes still had Andy Reid as coach AND a championship caliber defense.

There you go again. Where in that sentence does it remotely suggest Allen NEVER makes an inaccurate throw? Rib's point, which is difficult to rationally dispute is that pressure as Allen released the ball impacted the throw and caused him to miss Shakir. A reasonable & defensible criticism here is that Allen should have stepped up in the pocket a half second sooner and made the throw. But again you demand PERFECTION from Allen and no one else on the team - it's crazy to me.