CincyBillsFan

It was an all out blitz with guys closing in on Allen. He didn't have the luxury of confirming that Davis was where HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

Also Allen threw the ball low to better protect it from the DB BEHIND Davis.

I think it was PFF that measured something called turnover worthy plays and noted that Allen actually was excellent and near the top of QB's who did NOT put the ball in danger. This stat caught me and a lot of others by surprise. PFF then concluded that there seemed to be a bad luck factor involved in Allen's case and when he put the ball in danger it resulted in a TO at a high rate. I saw some of this Sunday night. BTW anyone who has played poker knows how you can go on good luck/bad luck stretches for long periods of time. Sometimes it takes years for things to revert to the mean. With the exception of the tipped TD throw to Sherfield where the Gods of chance were smiling on Allen he was unlucky again. That first INT never happens if the refs call an obvious PI the play before and the throw at the end of the half should have led to a targeting call on the Dolphin's player who clearly led with his helmet. IMO the only really bad pass he threw was when he missed a wide open Diggs. The first INT was a miscommunication and the 2nd a 4th down hail Mary to the end zone.

Also add Cowherd to the pro Bills/Allen group. He gushed over Allen more then I've ever seen him do. For a lot of these talking heads Sunday night was a crushing loss. It was personal for them because a couple of months ago they were pounding the table claiming that the Bills were done and would miss the playoffs and the Dolphins were an ascending SB team. Sunday demonstrated to all the football world just how little these so called experts actually know about the game of football. The Bills have embarrassed a lot of these talking heads and it gets personal when someone embarrasses you. Allen has embarrassed many of these same cretins who proclaimed that he would never by a successful NFL QB.

That's where I netted out. * The strip sack fumble would have been a fumble for almost every QB in the league given how fast that DT got in on Allen. * The 1st INT may be filed under "nobody's fault" as it was a case of the WR zigging when the QB thought he would zag. And had the refs thrown the flag on the previous plays clear PI then that first INT never happens. * The 2nd INT didn't take points off the board nor did it hand the Finns good field position. Allen made a choice clearly to go away from his first read and then rather then take a sack on 4th down (something I've seen a lot of QB's do) he threw up a 50/50 ball to the end zone. Missing Diggs was the really bad mistake Allen made that was all on him.

To be fair dropping from 3rd to 6th is hardly moving in a 32 team league. And given the caliber of the teams played in weeks 11 - 18 versus 1 - 10 it's easy to see that for all intents and purposes the Bills O performed better regardless what the stats say. In contrast the defensive improvements were substantial. This bodes well for the playoffs. Also the Bills beat 3 teams that won their division this season.

I think it's more like 5 to 1. And how do I know this? First the eye test, then his stats but most importantly his record over the last 4 seasons where he has been an elite level QB. IMO the goal of the Bills franchise should be to understand what Allen is, stop trying to change him fundamentally like they did this off season and just tweak his strengths and weaknesses. And this first involves surrounding him with the type of talent that compliments his style of play. I believe the Steeler's are 1 - 10 when Watt is not playing.

Allen had an uneven first half - at times playing great and at other times making bad mistakes. The Bills moved up and down the field thanks to Allen's play. If you're going to call out his mistakes - missing Diggs on the deep ball was the worst one - then at least acknowledge that a dropped TD pass by Cook and the refs not calling 2 obvious penalties completely altered how Allen's first half went. Allen had a fantastic 4th quarter which won the game with a lot of help from Harty's punt return. In my experience it's better for a QB to play great and not make mistakes in the 4th quarter then the 1st quarter. It's laughable to say that the Bills D was the team MVP. They have overcome a lot of injuries and McD has them playing great right now but that doesn't alter the fact that they could not hold the lead in the last 2 minutes of 3 of the Bills losses. Allen is the Bill's MVP for at least the 4th straight year.

Objectively there isn't a whole lot of objectivity in your post. Did the Bills lose either fumble? No. And what about rushing stats? They suddenly don't count for dual threat QB's like Allen?

BTW did you actually watch the game? Yes the D played great particularly in the 2nd half. But one of the things that enabled the D to play so well was that the Bill's O controlled the TOP over Miami by a ridiculous 38:07 to 21:53 minutes. The Dolphins ran only 48 plays to the Bills 77. This is a stat that contributed a great deal to the Bills winning and Allen had a lot to do wit it.

Dude!?!

I agree. My problem i with the over the top attacks on Allen by some on 2BD. IMO these are two entirely different things. And Allen and the team has already played as close to a perfect game as possible - the 2021 playoff win over New England.

When you lead the Bills to 4 consecutive division titles, which ties the best the Bills have EVER done throughout their 60+ years of existence, you deserve to get some slack from your fan base. And by and large the vast majority of the Bills fan base understands the Josh "freaking" Allen experience. In fact I suspect that only a tiny fraction of the fan base criticizes Allen in the over the top fashion some 2BD posters do.

That's a misleading take on what Allen was saying IMO. Allen has always accepted the lions share of the blame for anything that goes wrong with the O. It's one of the things that makes him great and a generational talent. But Allen being hard on himself is not the same things as "fans" attacking him over every mistake. Are you happy the Bills won? Because the Bills won - FACT.

Bizarre thinking is all I can say. Allen is the primary reason the Bills have won 4 straight division titles. And on any rational list of what limits the Bills from winning a SB Allen's play would not make the top 10.

Bingo. On the replay there were only 2 Bills receivers in the end zone and they were blanketed. They both were at opposite sides meaning the middle of the field was opening up. Allen had to choose between getting the ball to the target at the 1 and hoping he gets in, throwing the ball away or taking a sack which also would have ran the clock out. I think he made the right choice and throw and that hit should have been flagged. Cowherd made a great point tonight in saying that 2 terrible non calls by the officials in the 1st half - the non PI call on the first drive and the failure to call the helmet hit at the end of the 2nd quarter - cost the Bills at least 10 points. How differently would we be talking about Allen's first half if we get those points or if Cook catches a perfectly thrown TD pass to him?

Prescott also made his bid today with 4 TD's. The reality is while Jackson is likely to win MVP this might be the closest race we've seen in a while with 4 or 5 guys ALL getting appreciable votes.

I am. Or maybe it was on both players as Allen thought Davis was going to settle down where he was and Davis thought Allen would wait until he broke open over the middle. But as is being discussed on another thread this miscommunication seems to happen almost exclusively between Davis and Allen. Allen threw the ball low because he saw that Davis had leverage on the DB who was behind him.

But these misses seem to happen most often with Davis. I thought that the passing game looked a lot less frenzied and much more efficient after he went out of the game. Now whether this was the result of Allen settling down or that Davis is a bit of a lose cannon on pass play patterns is unknown. One thing I will say is on Shakir's long run after the WR screen Davis threw a hell of a block to spring him.

I would say no but it's a very fair question. He had a great game against Dallas but has struggled big time the last 2 games.

Diggs had a nice bounce back game and Kincaid has not hit the rookie wall.

I think it was a freeby. When you have D holding they add it the end of a run but not a pass.

They added the 5 yards to the end of Allen's run.

Judas Priest a guy starts a celebratory thread pointing out that the Allen haters were out in force tonight and look at all the bashing Allen is taking in this thread as a result. It's mind numbing. And don't tell me about "objectivity". Allen's play was not nearly as bad as some are claiming through the first 3 quarters. Where is your objectivity then? Cook drops a perfectly thrown TD by Allen late in the 1sthalf and you call Allen out? Sorry but this is what you get with Allen. Hoping and wishing that he'll play like a lion never making mistakes as a result of playing with a lions aggressiveness is like believing in the tooth fairy. The results on the field VINDICATE Allen's play: * 5 straight seasons with 10 or more wins * 4 straight seasons with 11 or ore wins * 4 straight division titles. * One trip to the AFC Championship and what shoudl have been a Super Bowl trip through no fault of Allen. Look you may not believe this but I was yelling and cursing Allen multiple times through the 1st 3 quarters in response to his couple of bad plays. That's only natural. The biggest Allen homers like me were mad as hell at his missing Diggs and that 2nd INT. What I don't do is run to 2BD and post crap bashing Allen over and over again in real time as he struggles. I DO question what kind of "objective" fans do that.

* The refs missed as blatant a PI as you will see near the goal line on the Bills first drive. If called it's first and goal at the 2, no INT and we go up 7 - 0. * IMO and I think the analysts will agree is that Davis was the cause of the 1st INT. He had body leverage on that DB and Allen put the pass low where Davis should have gone down and caught it for the TD. Instead Davis turned his back to Allen and breaks inside after Allen has thrown the ball. * The two bad throws by Allen doing the first 3 quarters was the 2nd INT (thought Davis was again near the play) and missing Diggs on the long shot that would have been a walk in TD. That is hardly the reason we were losing after 3 quarters. * Cook dropped a perfectly thrown Allen pass that should have tied the game up right before half. * The Allen throw to the RB that as stopped at the one was a sold throw and a great play made by the defender. Watch a replay and you will see we had only ,two receivers in the end zone. Should Allen have waited a second until the RB was IN the end zone? Maybe but a sack would have been just as bad. * Sorry but Allen's lost fumble after getting sacked was simply the inevitable result of allowing DT's free runs right up the gut. Torrense has really struggled the last couple of games and played terrible tonight.